pyrohydriscence
replied to your post “Wait so I was just thinking….Kelly said at the end that he knows it’s…”

He might not have his Grimm powers yet (and honestly who knows if he would even get them, if I recall only women of the Grimm line are a sure thing) but he also might have something from Adalind’s side. The Hexenbeist thing is totally uncharted waters.

Very true. The Hexenbiest thing throws it all into uncertainty. Would it enhance his Grimm powers? Change them? Overpower them? Cancel them out entirely? It’s literally impossible for us to know.

That being said, @irreverentcatalyst (Admin D) is working on an update to her posts about Grimm genetics to try and answer at least some of these questions. Look for it in the upcoming hiatus posts!

misscoraline
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Greenwalt & Kouf confirmed in an interview that Mom & Dad was Adalind & Nick…

I’ll admit, I haven’t seen that interview…and I’ve seen a lot of them. But here’s the thing: you can send me a link right now to a video of Greenwalt and Kouf chanting “when Diana says ‘mom and dad’ she means Nick and Adalind” over and over for two hours, and I still won’t interpret it that way.

Why? Because whatever they say in interviews, they didn’t choose to make it concrete in canon.

When an author chooses not to state something outright in canon, they leave it open to audience interpretation. They can come back later and say whatever they want in interviews, but “word of god” that does not also exist in canon is not technically canon and doesn’t have to affect how we interpret the text.

If an author wants something interpreted a certain way, that’s all well and good for them. But if they didn’t state it that way in the actual text, they leave the door open for any number of other interpretations, from the mostly-canonically-supported to the absolutely-wackadoo-unlikely-but-still-not-technically-contradictory.

That’s the beauty of interpretation, headcanon, fanon, fandom.

For many reasons, some personal and some canonical, I choose not to interpret that line a certain way. Which is completely fine. After all, the writers left the door wide open.

somekindofsaviour
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Thank you. Sean is an asshole, but he’s been consistent about wanting to be Diana’s dad.

That’s how I feel, too. And while I agree wholeheartedly with (and am a living example of) @resistpoisontangface‘s statement that you can have more than one dad–or mom for that matter–I also know that kids tend to pick up on their parents’ feelings about certain things and act accordingly. And I cannot ever see Sean being okay with Diana calling someone else “dad,” least of all Nick. Give it 20 years or 200 years, it ain’t gonna happen.

So based just on my own personal experience, and the fact that Diana consistently called Nick by his first name, I don’t think she meant Nick when she said “dad.” I don’t interpret it that way. It’s fine if other people do, but I never will. And that’s not a reflection on how I view Nick’s role in Diana’s life. That’s just how I feel about how she’d apply the label.

resistpoisontangface
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

I thought it was pretty clear that Nick was “dad,” and as someone is also from a blended family, you can have two dads.

You can absolutely have two dads, including without any step-parents at all! I never meant to suggest otherwise. If you read the linked post in the ask you replied to, I gave three different examples of how I’ve seen kids from blended families refer to their step-parents, including my own, in which I call my step-mother “Momma.”

They left a lot of things open to interpretation in that last scene, not the least of which was who Diana means when she says “mom and dad.” If you think she means Nick and Adalind, great! You’re entitled to that interpretation. I don’t interpret it that way, and that’s also great, and I’m just as entitled to my interpretation. That’s the beauty of leaving it as open as they did…it gives a measure of closure while also allowing fans to fill in the details that make them the happiest.

For some strange reason I have a feeling that Zuri had a child by Hank. I mean they had a lot of sex and even though we don’t know what happened to Her I think in 20 years we’d find out that Zuri and Hank hooked up again. I mean if sean can be somewhat forgiven why not Zuri?

I completely understand people wanting a real romance arc and happy ending for Hank, but…to be honest, I find this somewhat unlikely for a few reasons.

First, Zuri was a member of Black Claw. She tried to say she was only a member because they threatened her brother, but her general attitude before and after that statement was made–plus the context, i.e. trying to gain her captors’ sympathies once she was caught–lends itself to the likelihood of that being a lie.

Black Claw was a Wesen purist organization not unlike the Wesenrein, except that where the Wesenrein seemed to want to return to an “old way” of doing things, Black Claw wanted a “new way” that involved Wesen dominion over humans. But both were based in ideas of Wesen blood purity and superiority, which means as a member of Black Claw, Zuri was unlikely to see Hank as “worthy” of her. She outright said she didn’t date non-Wesen when Hank expressed interest in her earlier in the series, and she only eventually pursued him or slept with him because Black Claw ordered her to.

And honestly? Hank deserves better than that. I’m not saying Zuri is beyond forgiveness or redemption completely. But redemption doesn’t always equal a romantic happily ever after, and maybe in some cases it shouldn’t. Like when the other person is someone who’s already been used and hurt multiple times by women who only expressed interest in him for nefarious ulterior purposes.

So while I would love to see Hank in a happy relationship, I would want it to be with someone who entered that relationship because they liked him, with no ulterior motives or intent to deceive/harm him or his friends.

And if Zuri was truly acting under duress? I would still want a relationship for her that doesn’t involve someone she was forced to sleep with as a survival tactic.

The ending was good but you can tell they didn’t have time to truly wrap things up. I mean the wesen council was destroyed in season 5 and that would make it much more difficult for the wesen to stay hidden from humans. I would assume that more humans know about the wesen world than they previously ever did especially in 20 years.

They definitely didn’t have enough time to wrap it all up or answer all the questions, including a lot of big-M Mythology questions that will probably torment me for all time.

For the Wesen Council, though…I kind of wonder if they wouldn’t have lieutenants or “heirs” for each member of the council, so that if something like that ever happened they wouldn’t be left totally without leadership. I mean…we didn’t see that necessarily, and it’s possible that even if they did exist Black Claw also got to them.

But it’s also possible that they went underground and into panic mode the second that attack was carried out. It just seems like shoddy leadership to me, to have a governing body without any provisions for “what if we’re all wiped out in some mass attack or natural disaster at once.” I mean, shitty as the American government is, even they have rules about the lines of succession.

So I think the Wesen Council probably exists in some form or another. Maybe much more secretive, strict, and ruthless than we knew them, but…they’re there.

‘No regrets’ was Juliette telling Nick she didn’t regret loving him & she didn’t regret THEM. Nick blamed himself for what happened to Juliette & he thought she must regret knowing him & wish she could change it. But she didn’t regret knowing or being with him. Silverhardt deserved happiness. In that scene where Julieve died there was clearly love between them still. Its so dumb they didn’t just make it official. Sure its kind of open to interpretation… but geeze ~~ Gwen

I can’t disagree with anything here. It was clear throughout seasons five and six that Nick had unresolved feelings. It was strongly hinted that Eve did in season five, and made completely obvious in season six.

But here’s the thing: I’m unhappy with the relationship Nick did plausibly end up in because it was poorly written and squicky in the extreme. But I’m actually okay with the way things ended between Nick and Eve, because the feelings were not completely denied or erased…Eve just made a choice not to pursue them any further. She decided some things were more important to her, and that she didn’t want to go back to the way things were.

And while I’m not necessarily happy about the way she got to that point…it was a great ending for a character, and not a choice you often see a character make and stick to.

I mean, most of the time on television when a woman decides she’s happy with just herself, she is a) punished soon after by the narrative or b) immediately meets “Mr. Right” and goes back on her previous statement. And while I know we often find what we were looking for when we stop looking, it’s just annoying to me that TV rarely if ever depicts a woman who is truly happy without a romance in her life, who has a larger purpose and better things to do.

So I was really happy with that aspect of Eve’s story. I just wish we could have gotten that without a side of rapist/victim squickily-ever-after.

how can anyone think juliette isnt sorry for what she did? she literally told nick she’d done terrible things that she could never forgive juliette for. how can anyone think she isnt repentent?

Honestly, I don’t think anyone who watched the show could think that, unless they just had hate-blinders on for the character. Yes, she said she wouldn’t change any of what happened…but saying you wouldn’t change something doesn’t mean you aren’t sorry for your mistakes. For one thing, in context she wasn’t excusing herself. She was comforting Nick, who was thinking she must wish she’d never met him, never loved him, because of the grenade his presence threw on her old life. She was trying to absolve him of some of his guilt for what happened to her.

For another, just look at her actions. She has done nothing since she came back but help the team, help Nick, try to protect him. Her very first on-screen act in season five was to save Nick and Co. from Black Claw operatives. And sure, you could argue that was on HW’s orders…but what about telling Adalind she’d better not hurt Nick? What about the way she basically kicked a swath of ass across Portland to rescue Nick from Black Claw? What about the way she literally collapsed trying to use her powers at the start of season six, and then apologized to Nick for not being strong enough to protect him? What about rushing at Zerstorer barely-armed and without any magic, basically putting herself between it/him and Nick?

She does everything possible to protect her friends. She never bristles or even contradicts anyone who brings up her prior actions as Juliette; she just stands there and takes it. That is not the behavior of someone who considers themselves guiltless, who has nothing to be sorry for.

She finds her prior actions so repulsive and unforgivable that she literally had to become someone else to cope with them.

She has never forgiven herself, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t sorry. Quite the opposite.

Granted…I find the handling of her story deeply unsatisfying on a narrative level. I mean clearly…others who have done things just as horrible or worse can be forgiven, so I see no reason why Juliette couldn’t have been, eventually. There were other ways to handle her redemption arc that would have better served her character and held Nick and the rest of the team more accountable for their part in what happened to her.

But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand that Eve–who was Juliette and still is parts of Juliette–is sorry for the hurtful things she did when she was first turned into a hexenbiest. I mean…you would have to seriously be looking for reasons to hate the character with no regard for what’s actually done and said in canon to think otherwise.