misscoraline
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Greenwalt & Kouf confirmed in an interview that Mom & Dad was Adalind & Nick…

I’ll admit, I haven’t seen that interview…and I’ve seen a lot of them. But here’s the thing: you can send me a link right now to a video of Greenwalt and Kouf chanting “when Diana says ‘mom and dad’ she means Nick and Adalind” over and over for two hours, and I still won’t interpret it that way.

Why? Because whatever they say in interviews, they didn’t choose to make it concrete in canon.

When an author chooses not to state something outright in canon, they leave it open to audience interpretation. They can come back later and say whatever they want in interviews, but “word of god” that does not also exist in canon is not technically canon and doesn’t have to affect how we interpret the text.

If an author wants something interpreted a certain way, that’s all well and good for them. But if they didn’t state it that way in the actual text, they leave the door open for any number of other interpretations, from the mostly-canonically-supported to the absolutely-wackadoo-unlikely-but-still-not-technically-contradictory.

That’s the beauty of interpretation, headcanon, fanon, fandom.

For many reasons, some personal and some canonical, I choose not to interpret that line a certain way. Which is completely fine. After all, the writers left the door wide open.

resistpoisontangface
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

I thought it was pretty clear that Nick was “dad,” and as someone is also from a blended family, you can have two dads.

You can absolutely have two dads, including without any step-parents at all! I never meant to suggest otherwise. If you read the linked post in the ask you replied to, I gave three different examples of how I’ve seen kids from blended families refer to their step-parents, including my own, in which I call my step-mother “Momma.”

They left a lot of things open to interpretation in that last scene, not the least of which was who Diana means when she says “mom and dad.” If you think she means Nick and Adalind, great! You’re entitled to that interpretation. I don’t interpret it that way, and that’s also great, and I’m just as entitled to my interpretation. That’s the beauty of leaving it as open as they did…it gives a measure of closure while also allowing fans to fill in the details that make them the happiest.

Wait so I was just thinking….Kelly said at the end that he knows it’s all true because his father told him so. Not because he lived it too. Not because he sees what his father saw. So….maybe that means Kelly actually doesn’t have Grimm powers (yet?) in the 20 years later epilogue?

Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad refers to Renard. Or is she calling Nick Dad and Renard Daddy? And if Kelly is writing in the books that means Nick is dead 20 years in the future, right? (T___T)

I think Diana was probably talking about Adalind and Sean, and Kelly understood “mom and dad” to mean their mother and Diana’s dad. See this post for my reasons why, based on my own experiences growing up in a blended family.

I also don’t think there’s any reason to believe that Kelly writing in the books means that Nick is dead. I don’t think there’s a hard and fast rule about when a Grimm can start writing in the books. Even if there were, I doubt Nick and his friends/family would follow it. They’re a pretty unconventional lot.

Now, if you mean that writing in the books suggests Kelly has his Grimm powers, which means that Nick must be dead….well, I dunno. It was kind of suggested in the pilot that a family member dying was somehow linked to the next generation getting their powers. But it was never outright stated that this was the case, and subsequent events kind of muddied those waters a LOT.

The net result is that at the end of the show, one of the BIGGEST, most fundamental pieces of the show’s mythology remains unanswered: we never learned what EXACTLY triggers the onset of Grimm powers. All we know is that girls get their powers earlier than boys…but not what actually causes the change at either point. Is it mystical? Is it purely physiological? Is it a bit of both? We just don’t know. And even if we did, we can’t say for certain whether those rules would apply to Kelly, because he’s not just a Grimm…he’s the son of a Grimm and a Hexenbiest. He’s completely unprecedented.

So based on all that uncertainty and statements made by the show producers in several recent interviews, I’m leaning toward Nick still being alive in 20 years. There’s nothing to suggest they want us to think otherwise.

Can I ask- how did you feel about the last line Diana said in the finale? I felt like her saying “we have wesen to kill” kinda seemed like a disservice to the what the characters had gone through to prove that nothing is as black and white as Grimm vs. Wesen. I wish it was something more like “we have a war to fight” or something like that but maybe it’s just me…

It’s not just you. I agree with you. I wish they had found another line to give her that would have indicated they’re still fighting the good fight. I mean, they have three presumably-close friends who are Wesen. Technically, Diana is also Wesen, albeit very different from any others we’ve seen. Her parents are Wesen. One of Kelly’s parents is Wesen. Kelly actually has a chance of having a Wesen child one day, as does Diana potentially.

So having her say “we have Wesen to kill” and having Kelly be totally fine with that seems like a really messed-up line, and not at all in keeping with the themes of the rest of the show.

I mean, there are so many other options:

“We have a job to do.”
“We have work to do.”
“We have a case.”
“Time to fight the good fight.”

There are tons of lines that would have done a better job of conveying what they were trying to convey.