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Not hating but you really see the difference between domestic MR and domestic NA. MR is something that is beneficial to the plot and the characters. It is usual, you can’t miss those scenes because you lose the plot but NA can be skipped in every episode and no plot is missed.

Well…as much as I hate to say it, and as much as I really want to skip those scenes, lately they are actually weaving into the plot a little more. The scene between them in this episode definitely set things up for some conflict later on, for instance.

Although I’d argue that most of what’s in the actual NA scenes themselves is about character development rather than plot. You can watch Nick’s conversation with Monroe in “Into the Schwarzwald” and know everything that happened in that scene and that Nick doesn’t know how he feels about it.

But you’d miss the completely candid look on Nick’s face when he wakes up beside Adalind and there’s no one there to school his emotions for, the way he kept flashing back to their awful history and how simultaneously numb and conflicted he looks…and how he covers all of that up and pretends to be okay when she wakes up.

Similarly, you could find out from the scene last ep with Adalind and Rosalee that Adalind didn’t want to tell Nick about her powers returning, and from the scene in the spice shop this week that Nick wasn’t supposed to tell anyone outside of Team Grimm about the stick.

But there’s a special kind of emphasis on seeing them actually in a room together and lying their asses off to each other’s faces, clearly uncomfortable and not trusting each other with vital secrets. Even though those secrets could have a profound effect on their child, the other person, and their…relationship, such as it is.

So I will agree with you that MR’s scenes are more about being helpful and proactive and figuring things out than NA scenes, but I don’t skip the NA scenes (although I would never judge or even look askance at anyone who wanted to, for obvious reasons), because they are telling us things about Nick and Adalind as people–and, in my opinion, about why they can never work as a couple (since apparently the blatantly obvious reason isn’t good enough for the writers).

I’m confused. When did Adalind fall in love with Nick?

Well, anon, it was…

Huh.

You know, that’s a really good question. They’ve only been living together for a few months, tops, and during that time they’ve been somewhat under siege. Not the best atmosphere for developing any kind of healthy connection.

Before that, she was emotionally manipulating him into protecting her from Juliette.

And before that, she was raping him and stealing his powers at Viktor’s behest in a misguided attempt to get Diana back.

Funny…it’s almost as if this whole thing between them happened way too fast and without sufficient development for it to make any kind of sense to anyone not watching it through shipper goggles.

Seeing as how the last time Juliette had free will she set up Kelly to be killed, helped kidnap a todler and tried to murder Nick, I’m not terribly fussed about this development TBH. At least she’s only killing bad people now.

Actually, the last time Juliette had free will she tried to save her friends by helping Nick get back the powers that were ruining her life, because she cared more about what they needed than what she wanted.

And I wouldn’t be too quick to trust Hadrian’s Wall so completely. How do we know that the people they’ve marked for death are all bad people? Even if they are bad people, who is HW to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner?

These people kidnapped Trubel once before, covered up multiple murders, and took a dying woman and subjected her to a level of psychological torment that has severed her from her own identity. We actually have no idea what they did to Trubel to “convince” her to work with them. How do we know it wasn’t a less severe version of what they did to Juliette?

I’m just saying, these people deal in secrets, shadows, death, and control. Just because Black Claw seems pretty clearly bad and Hadrian’s Wall opposes them doesn’t mean Hadrian’s Wall is good. From where I’m sitting, their methods are pretty similar and their reasons are just as shady.

A lot of people are quick to condemn Adalind for “raping” Nick but so many seem to forget that she only did that because the royals (who Nick and his friends had lead her to believe had Diana) ordered her to do that and told her it was the only way she’d ever see her daughter again. It’s not nearly as black and white as some people make it seem.

A lot of people are also quick to forget that Adalind has been told to do a lot of things and always seems to resort to sexual violence to get them done. And that being desperate doesn’t excuse doing horrible things.

Sean told her to get the key? Adalind’s plan to get the key was to cast a spell on Hank, rape him, and then use the fact that his life was in danger to try to force Nick to hand over the key.

Adalind loses her powers and wants revenge? She decides, on her own, to cast a spell on Juliette that can only be broken with the massively bad side effect of creating an obsessive and dangerous attraction between Juliette and whoever rescues her…which robs both parties of their agency and violates them both in a fundamental way. She also had sex with Sean while he was under the influence of this spell, which arguably robbed him of the ability to say no to her.

The Royals tell Adalind to neutralize Nick as a threat? Adalind’s plan to do so was to cast a spell on herself and rape Nick, which stripped him of his powers.

I’m not saying Adalind hasn’t found herself in some desperate situations. I’m not even saying I don’t find her sympathetic at times. But I can acknowledge the difficulties she’s faced without turning those into excuses for the horrible things she’s done.

THANK you for calling what happened to Nick rape. I’ve met one too many people (including “feminists”) who say men can’t be raped by women. Also I wanted to point out that people tend to make crappy decisions when highly emotional. I’m hoping when Nick gets his head straight, he’ll realize that being with Adalind is a horrible idea. *sighs* That man needs a good cry, a good fight (not usually a good idea but he’s got too much anger right now), and a good talk with someone neutral asap.

Yep. Speaking from experience, abuse makes you do dumb shit. It makes you feel things that aren’t healthy, and often you don’t realise until it’s too late. It’s really sad that it happens, and it’s really sad that, in essence, you end up brainwashed into accepting situations you wouldn’t ordinarily deal with.

And I could totally get behind that happening to Nick – if it wasn’t played off as cute or sexy or anywhere approaching acceptable. 

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.

Hi Anon – Admin Liz here. Just thought I’d weigh in as well. I agree with Liza 100 percent. I hope that the show runners realize the problems and message that this ship sends. I’m the first to admit that I love Claire Coffee and I really enjoy Adalind as a character, but the history between her and Nick is not something I’d like to see turned into a ship. I’m all for Adalind attempting a redemption arc of some kind, but it’s not a ship I will ever personally be able to get behind for the reasons that Liza listed above. 

Hi Anon – Usually Silent Admin D also responding. I agree with both Liza and Liz. In fact, the thought of that problematic ship being given air time made me consider boycotting Grimm entirely. Liza, I feel, has done a very good job of covering the major issues so I won’t rehash them again.

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.

Hi Anon – Admin Liz here. Just thought I’d weigh in as well. I agree with Liza 100 percent. I hope that the show runners realize the problems and message that this ship sends. I’m the first to admit that I love Claire Coffee and I really enjoy Adalind as a character, but the history between her and Nick is not something I’d like to see turned into a ship. I’m all for Adalind attempting a redemption arc of some kind, but it’s not a ship I will ever personally be able to get behind for the reasons that Liza listed above.