Tag: anti nadalind

Grimm Finale Drinking Game

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

It’s almost time, Grimmsters. Everybody grab a bottle of some fun, consumable liquid and play along! But like…don’t get alcohol poisoning, please.

Drink When:

  • Rosalee knows the solution off the top of her head.
    • Only take a small sip if she has to check her books first.
  • Monroe goes on a babble-y tangent about anything.
  • Diana’s eyes turn purple.
  • Trubel kills a Wesen.
  • Eve talks to a member of Team Grimm.
  • Eve’s Juliette is showing.
  • Anyone wears anyone else’s face, in any sense of the phrase
  • Meisner appears out of nowhere.
  • Nick pulls out his crossbow.
  • Renard and Nick face off.
  • Renard does something seriously shady.
  • SHIRTLESS RAGE.
  • Wu and/or Hank are sassy/sarcastic.
  • The Stick of Destiny makes an appearance.
  • Wu transforms.
  • Monrosalee are ride-or-die.
  • Team Grimm walks somewhere dramatically.
  • Bud makes an appearance.
  • Anyone does something seriously badass.
  • Anyone from Black Claw says the Black Claw motto.

Finish Your Drink When:

  • BIEST FIGHT (any combination of Adalind/Diana/Eve fighting).
  • The Stick of Destiny is actually used.
  • Sean’s motivations actually make sense.
  • IF a beloved character dies.

Pour Out Part of Your Drink When:

  • Nadalind kiss.
  • Nick lies to someone.
  • Sean appears to still be drinking the Black Claw Kool-Aid.

Pour Yourself A Fresh Drink and Chug It:

  • When that sassy end title card appears. Congratulations and our condolences, Grimmsters. Welcome to the Grimm Hiatus!

Disclaimer: participating in this game using anything with actual alcohol content will most likely kill you quickly, so don’t.

You know. In retrospect this was a cruelly prophetic drinking game for the 5th season finale in particular.

I always wondered about Adalind and Nick, if the show runners wanted them together, why not have that in the beginning? Or let Juliette off the hook in S01 or 2 and then let those two have whatever it is they have? Seriously, why did showrunners do that ?

My understanding from old articles and tumblr discussion is that Adalind was never supposed to be a long-term character. She was basically written in for a few episodes in season one, and then they liked Claire so much that they wrote more for her.

Which I get. What’s not to love about Claire?

But then they didn’t really know what to do with her. That’s nothing I heard, just an observation. They had no clue.

She spends most of seasons two and three “meanwhile in Vienna,” then comes back in seasons three and four only when they need a stronger villain to make the plot move. They spend very little time developing her but put a LOT on the character’s shoulders.

I also don’t think the writers necessarily wanted or planned to put Nick and Adalind together until a vocal minority of fans began demanding it. They certainly failed to set it up at all in seasons one through four if that’s not the case.

Then once they got together, Adalind became a background player for the most part. She got one or two good episodes in seasons five and six, but those were all when she was stuck in the mayor’s mansion with Renard. Otherwise, she became a very passive character with little agency after season five.

Even the single “I love you” Nick ever says to her happens in the Other Place, in a reality that gets erased. As far as Adalind is concerned, it never happened. And that’s where they end the show.

Looking at all of that, I honestly can’t believe they planned or wanted that ship to happen. Which begs the question: why did they never fix it?

I’m the only one who thinks the worsts seasons of Grimm was season 2, 3(but 3 only gets better when Trubel appears for the first time) and 5(until the stupid Nadalind stuff) ? Mari.

I can’t say I agree…I loved every season of Grimm except maybe the back half of 4, and even that was interesting. I mean the N/a/dalind stuff in 5 was 1000% gross, and I will always feel like the writing decisions made in season 5 killed the show. But even so the season had some really strong episodes, and possibly the best finale they’ve ever done. It had just lost too much of the audience by that point to salvage the ratings.

Season 6 was the weakest season IMO, but then I think it couldn’t help but be weaker because it was slashed in half, episode-wise, and because it was an abrupt final season trying to live up to five years of story build-up. And although I loved it as a season and loved parts of the ending, I don’t really feel like they paid all of that off.

Granted, it’s not as bad as some highly-anticipated endings (nothing will ever be worse than the endings to Lost or HIMYM). And to be honest, the Grimm writers played my heart like a fiddle to the point that I didn’t even notice a lot of the flaws on my first or second viewing of the series finale.

But now that I’m removed from the emotional aspects of it a tiny bit, I can see that it still wasn’t completely worthy of all that came before. So if I had to choose a worst season, it would probably be 5 or 6, despite individual episodes that were fantastic.

i patiently waited for grimm to fix silverhardt since 4×09. through the painful arc of hexen!jules & nick being ooc. watching julies lose herself & get killed. the horrible n/dalind arc & that yucky affair & jules being unable to show emotions. i stuck through when jules came back in s6 & she & nick started showing feelings for each other again. & the writers dropped the ball. for faithful grimm fans that were there from S1 and watched it for GRIMM not just n/dalind that was freaking unfair

I feel you, anon. It’s been months and I still feel you so hard.

‘No regrets’ was Juliette telling Nick she didn’t regret loving him & she didn’t regret THEM. Nick blamed himself for what happened to Juliette & he thought she must regret knowing him & wish she could change it. But she didn’t regret knowing or being with him. Silverhardt deserved happiness. In that scene where Julieve died there was clearly love between them still. Its so dumb they didn’t just make it official. Sure its kind of open to interpretation… but geeze ~~ Gwen

I can’t disagree with anything here. It was clear throughout seasons five and six that Nick had unresolved feelings. It was strongly hinted that Eve did in season five, and made completely obvious in season six.

But here’s the thing: I’m unhappy with the relationship Nick did plausibly end up in because it was poorly written and squicky in the extreme. But I’m actually okay with the way things ended between Nick and Eve, because the feelings were not completely denied or erased…Eve just made a choice not to pursue them any further. She decided some things were more important to her, and that she didn’t want to go back to the way things were.

And while I’m not necessarily happy about the way she got to that point…it was a great ending for a character, and not a choice you often see a character make and stick to.

I mean, most of the time on television when a woman decides she’s happy with just herself, she is a) punished soon after by the narrative or b) immediately meets “Mr. Right” and goes back on her previous statement. And while I know we often find what we were looking for when we stop looking, it’s just annoying to me that TV rarely if ever depicts a woman who is truly happy without a romance in her life, who has a larger purpose and better things to do.

So I was really happy with that aspect of Eve’s story. I just wish we could have gotten that without a side of rapist/victim squickily-ever-after.

I love Grimm but seeing n’adalind makes me mad. She raped him for heaven’s sake. It’s like everyone forgot all the bad things she’s done. Also I did not expect the two deaths in the latest episode. I’m so sad right now.

I’m devastated by those two deaths. They seemed so unnecessary, and so incredibly violent. I mean, Grimm is actually a pretty dark, violent, gory show sometimes…but hardly ever is that kind of horror visited directly upon the main cast, and never in a way that’s permanently fatal. So that they killed two people was a massive shock on its own…never mind the senseless, heinously violent way it happened…in particular with Hank, which I don’t understand. Wu’s death was horrific and sad but it wasn’t over-the-top on the gore. Why did Hank’s have to be that way?

I’ve also never been on board with Nadalind for the exact reasons you mention, especially because the way they wrote it was so rushed and failed to show beforehand that Adalind had changed or articulate whether or not Adalind is responsible for the things she did while she was a hexenbiest. They kind of did it later, but not in a way that was definitive or consistent enough to absolve her completely. Never mind that no amount of absolving would have changed the effect her actions had on Nick.

Basically I wouldn’t have been happy with it no matter how they wrote it, but the way they chose to go about it was especially bad because it just…never rang true to me. The only way I can make it work in my head is that it’s another side-effect of the twinning spell Adalind performed on herself, Juliette, and Nick in season 3.

That being said, I don’t think anyone has forgotten what Adalind has done…least of all Adalind. There have been several moments when others on the team and Adadlind herself have acknowledged her fucked up past. Eve threatened her last season because she was afraid Adalind would cause Nick more pain. Rosalee and Monroe have both shown some wariness toward Adalind in season 5, however kind they are to her otherwise.

And Adalind has spoken of redemption. She knows what she did. She’s sorry for what she did. That doesn’t undo it, excuse it, or make it okay…but I think she’s always thinking about the mistakes she’s made and looking for ways to do good instead anyway. And as I’ve said before, I’m really glad she got to that point…I just wish the writers had done it without all of this romantic nonsense between her and Nick.

They did not have to become romantically involved just because they had a child together, especially considering that the circumstances of Kelly’s conception were non-consensual and traumatic. They could have raised the kid together and found their way to an amicable co-parenting relationship without any of that, and in my opinion they should have. Based on the shoddy writing, I’ll always believe on some level that the writers were just conceding to the demands of Nadalind fans, rather than writing something because there was romantic chemistry or because it worked, story-wise.

Sometimes I don’t see where the writers are going with something on first watch, but I always manage to get there if I think about it a little harder. I even think I understand, now, what led to Sean’s descent into villainy in season 5. With this, though, I’ve thought about it from every angle I can and that’s all I can come up with. And in my opinion it will always be the one glaring, irredeemable flaw in an otherwise solid show.

Why is Sean evil?? I’ve been in and out of Grimm since like season 4 and Sean was one of my faves what is happening??? (Also, do you think I should catch up or just follow the show via fandom I can’t decide..)

That is a long and complicated question…and I’m not sure I would call him evil, necessary. It’s just that his loyalties have changed drastically since season 4. Not always for the better, either.

And like a lot of fans, I’ve never been satisfied with the reasons for Sean’s seemingly sudden change in season 5. I can headcanon some stuff together for it, but IMO something as pivotal as a major character’s motivation behind a complete 180 on loyalties shouldn’t be left up to headcanon, or at least not entirely so.

My best guess is that when Diana was taken by the royals and that helicopter went down, Sean honestly didn’t know at first whether she’d even survived…and then he didn’t know where she was for several months. I think that affected him far more than we initially realized as an audience, because when I look back it was right after that when Sean started withdrawing from the team quite a bit.

Enter Black Claw, promising power and influence and protection…and then giving him his daughter back, alive and well. It was only after they gave Diana to him that Sean really got on board with their plans and seemed to drink the Kool-Aid.

So I think it was a combination of things that made Sean go bad, not least of which was a lot of unspoken resentment, fatherly grief, and Team Grimm’s tendency to do whatever they think will solve the problem of the moment without always considering the long-term consequences or collateral damage.

That being said, I do think you should catch up as long as long as you’re not triggered or deeply squicked out by Nadalind (there is a lot of it in seasons 5-6). Their scenes are more numerous than I would like, but they are mostly brief. And the show improved drastically in season 5 and has been as good as ever thus far in season 6.

Do you think Nadalind will be endgame?

At this point, I honestly do not know.

On the one hand, the last couple of episodes have clearly shown that Juliette/Eve and Nick still have feelings for one another, and have even hinted that Adalind is aware of this.

On the other hand, there are only four episodes left in the show. Nadalind is established at this point, for better or for worse, while Silverhardt has for all intents and purposes had a year apart, and only just begun to acknowledge their feelings for one another still exist.

Then, too, the writers have hinted strongly that Nick will end up with one or the other by the end of the series. I don’t like to think they would build the Silverhardt feelings back up just for it to come to nothing, but I also don’t know how they would dissolve the Nadalind relationship and then switch to Silverhardt being back on and at an endgame sort of place in just four more episodes.

So although I’m not happy about it, I’m concerned that Nadalind will indeed be endgame. Either that, or the show will end with neither relationship on.

Why did they have to make Juliette evil? And why did they have to make nick get with his rapist. It’s so gross.

I don’t think they really made Juliette evil, per se. Can someone be evil when they’re not in control of their own mind or actions? I think of Juliette’s actions in late season four as more sickness than evil, and in season five and six so far she’s definitely been an ally and asset to Nick and Team Grimm. And, more and more, we’re seeing glimpses of the old Juliette, the one who loved Nick and would do anything to protect him.

The getting-with-his-rapist thing though, yeah…that’s really gross. There’s no excuse for that and I will always wish the writers hadn’t gone there. There had to be better ways to deal with Claire getting pregnant than to have Adalind have a baby with Nick, and even if they chose to do that, they didn’t have to manufacture this stilted romance between them like none of the last five years of antagonism, violence, rape, and hatred ever happened between them.

Not hating but you really see the difference between domestic MR and domestic NA. MR is something that is beneficial to the plot and the characters. It is usual, you can’t miss those scenes because you lose the plot but NA can be skipped in every episode and no plot is missed.

Well…as much as I hate to say it, and as much as I really want to skip those scenes, lately they are actually weaving into the plot a little more. The scene between them in this episode definitely set things up for some conflict later on, for instance.

Although I’d argue that most of what’s in the actual NA scenes themselves is about character development rather than plot. You can watch Nick’s conversation with Monroe in “Into the Schwarzwald” and know everything that happened in that scene and that Nick doesn’t know how he feels about it.

But you’d miss the completely candid look on Nick’s face when he wakes up beside Adalind and there’s no one there to school his emotions for, the way he kept flashing back to their awful history and how simultaneously numb and conflicted he looks…and how he covers all of that up and pretends to be okay when she wakes up.

Similarly, you could find out from the scene last ep with Adalind and Rosalee that Adalind didn’t want to tell Nick about her powers returning, and from the scene in the spice shop this week that Nick wasn’t supposed to tell anyone outside of Team Grimm about the stick.

But there’s a special kind of emphasis on seeing them actually in a room together and lying their asses off to each other’s faces, clearly uncomfortable and not trusting each other with vital secrets. Even though those secrets could have a profound effect on their child, the other person, and their…relationship, such as it is.

So I will agree with you that MR’s scenes are more about being helpful and proactive and figuring things out than NA scenes, but I don’t skip the NA scenes (although I would never judge or even look askance at anyone who wanted to, for obvious reasons), because they are telling us things about Nick and Adalind as people–and, in my opinion, about why they can never work as a couple (since apparently the blatantly obvious reason isn’t good enough for the writers).