Tag: anti nadalind

Even though I agree with you with the whole “Adalind falling in love with Nick? What?” thing, if they worked on it a little more it would make complete sense- on Adalind’s part. She is very good at making poor life choices and she seems to always fall for a guy even though it might be a good idea to do so. Her falling in love with a guy who was her mortal enemy can be considered in-character for her.

I think you’re right in that it would be in character for Adalind. I’m really glad they didn’t have Nick be all suddenly gung-ho in love though, because it would have been terribly out of character for him, even if they didn’t have the history they have.

And I still don’t think they developed it enough for it to make sense for either of them to feel anything except cautiously amicable toward one another at this point. I’m not sure they can go back and fix it now, because they just rushed it for whatever reason and now a lot of fans are left scratching their heads going “where exactly did that come from?”

A couple of episodes ago she was perking up at the sound of Meisner’s name and blushingly, hopefully asking Trubel whether he’d ever mentioned her, and now she’s in love with Nick? Not attracted to, not beginning to have feelings for, in love. 

Adalind may be a lot of things, but sentimental she’s not. This direction at this juncture doesn’t make any sense for her and is horrible for Nick. I just don’t know what to do with it except throw up my hands and try to watch around it for the rest of the plot.

I’m confused. When did Adalind fall in love with Nick?

Well, anon, it was…

Huh.

You know, that’s a really good question. They’ve only been living together for a few months, tops, and during that time they’ve been somewhat under siege. Not the best atmosphere for developing any kind of healthy connection.

Before that, she was emotionally manipulating him into protecting her from Juliette.

And before that, she was raping him and stealing his powers at Viktor’s behest in a misguided attempt to get Diana back.

Funny…it’s almost as if this whole thing between them happened way too fast and without sufficient development for it to make any kind of sense to anyone not watching it through shipper goggles.

Hey admins, I’m glad you’re all anti-nadalind. I’ve been calling what Adalind has done to Nick (with Hank and Sean too) rape. I cannot believe that the writers are toying with this idea. I can’t believe more of the Internet is not talking about this. There should be buzzfeed articles about how completely horrifying and problematic this is. Seriously. I really hope that they’re just f*cking with us. I love this show, but if they become a thing I don’t know if I can watch it.

I have considered pitching an article (I’m a freelance writer) but the thing is, as far as I can see, Grimm doesn’t have that much of a following, when you compare it to other things that Buzzfeed, the Vulture etc, report on.

I keep hoping they’re going to pull a twist, but as of last episode I’m just …. urgh. 

Anyway, I might yet pitch a piece in the next week or so, there’s a couple of places that might carry it.

THANK you for calling what happened to Nick rape. I’ve met one too many people (including “feminists”) who say men can’t be raped by women. Also I wanted to point out that people tend to make crappy decisions when highly emotional. I’m hoping when Nick gets his head straight, he’ll realize that being with Adalind is a horrible idea. *sighs* That man needs a good cry, a good fight (not usually a good idea but he’s got too much anger right now), and a good talk with someone neutral asap.

Yep. Speaking from experience, abuse makes you do dumb shit. It makes you feel things that aren’t healthy, and often you don’t realise until it’s too late. It’s really sad that it happens, and it’s really sad that, in essence, you end up brainwashed into accepting situations you wouldn’t ordinarily deal with.

And I could totally get behind that happening to Nick – if it wasn’t played off as cute or sexy or anywhere approaching acceptable. 

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.

Hi Anon – Admin Liz here. Just thought I’d weigh in as well. I agree with Liza 100 percent. I hope that the show runners realize the problems and message that this ship sends. I’m the first to admit that I love Claire Coffee and I really enjoy Adalind as a character, but the history between her and Nick is not something I’d like to see turned into a ship. I’m all for Adalind attempting a redemption arc of some kind, but it’s not a ship I will ever personally be able to get behind for the reasons that Liza listed above. 

Hi Anon – Usually Silent Admin D also responding. I agree with both Liza and Liz. In fact, the thought of that problematic ship being given air time made me consider boycotting Grimm entirely. Liza, I feel, has done a very good job of covering the major issues so I won’t rehash them again.

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.

Hi Anon – Admin Liz here. Just thought I’d weigh in as well. I agree with Liza 100 percent. I hope that the show runners realize the problems and message that this ship sends. I’m the first to admit that I love Claire Coffee and I really enjoy Adalind as a character, but the history between her and Nick is not something I’d like to see turned into a ship. I’m all for Adalind attempting a redemption arc of some kind, but it’s not a ship I will ever personally be able to get behind for the reasons that Liza listed above. 

I know you’re not really a Nadalind fan, but if you have time, would you mind making gifs of their kiss?

I’m sorry anon, but for me it goes well beyond simply not being a fan of it. I find the ship itself deeply problematic and it personally reminds me of things I’d rather not think about, so I won’t be creating gifs of that scene or any of their scenes. There’s a sizeable Nadalind fanbase though, so I’m sure if you give it a day or two the scene will be gif’d all over the place.

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.