Do you think that Nick has a limit on how much trauma he can handle and then goes “Screw it”? So after Juliette’s descent, Kelly’s death, Kelly’s birth, Trubel, and now the uprising, he’s just in “Screw it” mode?

I don’t know if Nick has reached “screw it” mode yet so much as he’s running on autopilot. He hasn’t even had time to reach the level of emotional doneness that leads to “screw it” mode. I think he’s dealing with each thing as it comes and not really processing each fresh burden or trauma…and yes, I do think there’s a limit. Nick is still human, after all. There’s only so much most of us can take before we break down. I hope he has a chance to stop, take stock, and deal before he gets to that point. 

Seeing as how the last time Juliette had free will she set up Kelly to be killed, helped kidnap a todler and tried to murder Nick, I’m not terribly fussed about this development TBH. At least she’s only killing bad people now.

Actually, the last time Juliette had free will she tried to save her friends by helping Nick get back the powers that were ruining her life, because she cared more about what they needed than what she wanted.

And I wouldn’t be too quick to trust Hadrian’s Wall so completely. How do we know that the people they’ve marked for death are all bad people? Even if they are bad people, who is HW to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner?

These people kidnapped Trubel once before, covered up multiple murders, and took a dying woman and subjected her to a level of psychological torment that has severed her from her own identity. We actually have no idea what they did to Trubel to “convince” her to work with them. How do we know it wasn’t a less severe version of what they did to Juliette?

I’m just saying, these people deal in secrets, shadows, death, and control. Just because Black Claw seems pretty clearly bad and Hadrian’s Wall opposes them doesn’t mean Hadrian’s Wall is good. From where I’m sitting, their methods are pretty similar and their reasons are just as shady.

A lot of people are quick to condemn Adalind for “raping” Nick but so many seem to forget that she only did that because the royals (who Nick and his friends had lead her to believe had Diana) ordered her to do that and told her it was the only way she’d ever see her daughter again. It’s not nearly as black and white as some people make it seem.

A lot of people are also quick to forget that Adalind has been told to do a lot of things and always seems to resort to sexual violence to get them done. And that being desperate doesn’t excuse doing horrible things.

Sean told her to get the key? Adalind’s plan to get the key was to cast a spell on Hank, rape him, and then use the fact that his life was in danger to try to force Nick to hand over the key.

Adalind loses her powers and wants revenge? She decides, on her own, to cast a spell on Juliette that can only be broken with the massively bad side effect of creating an obsessive and dangerous attraction between Juliette and whoever rescues her…which robs both parties of their agency and violates them both in a fundamental way. She also had sex with Sean while he was under the influence of this spell, which arguably robbed him of the ability to say no to her.

The Royals tell Adalind to neutralize Nick as a threat? Adalind’s plan to do so was to cast a spell on herself and rape Nick, which stripped him of his powers.

I’m not saying Adalind hasn’t found herself in some desperate situations. I’m not even saying I don’t find her sympathetic at times. But I can acknowledge the difficulties she’s faced without turning those into excuses for the horrible things she’s done.

And what do you admins think about Trubnick(or Truhardt, whatever :P ) , aka my new shipper <3 <3 <3 ? You admins think it could be a possibility of Nick and Trubel being endgame(and a badass Grimm couple) *-* ? Mari.

I personally don’t ship it. The 10+ years’ worth of an age gap would be problematic for some people on its own, but for me the thing that makes me not want to ship it romantically is the fact that Nick effectively rescued Trubel, kept her from being arrested for murder, and that sense of gratitude makes for a bigger power imbalance than the age gap alone, which I’m uncomfortable with.

I think to some extent, it depends on the perspective of the shipper. I’m right between Nick’s age and Trubel’s, so I would feel weird shipping a girl barely old enough to be out of college with a guy my age, much less someone who had a few years on me. And I think fans of any age have a responsibility to consider the ramifications of age and power dynamics in what they ship, the fanworks they produce, and how they interact with younger fans.

That being said, for a fan who’s Trubel’s age and shipping Trubel with Nick, I understand it a little better. A lot of young people find themselves attracted to people quite a bit older than they are (see my massive crushes on celebrities from Jensen Ackles to Tom Cavanagh, the latter of which is older than my own father). And having a place like fanfiction to explore that safely is, to my mind, a good thing.

Where my worries start is with the notion of the writers making anything romantic between Trubel and Nick canon. That’s a context I’m not comfortable with.

Hey admins, I’m glad you’re all anti-nadalind. I’ve been calling what Adalind has done to Nick (with Hank and Sean too) rape. I cannot believe that the writers are toying with this idea. I can’t believe more of the Internet is not talking about this. There should be buzzfeed articles about how completely horrifying and problematic this is. Seriously. I really hope that they’re just f*cking with us. I love this show, but if they become a thing I don’t know if I can watch it.

I have considered pitching an article (I’m a freelance writer) but the thing is, as far as I can see, Grimm doesn’t have that much of a following, when you compare it to other things that Buzzfeed, the Vulture etc, report on.

I keep hoping they’re going to pull a twist, but as of last episode I’m just …. urgh. 

Anyway, I might yet pitch a piece in the next week or so, there’s a couple of places that might carry it.

THANK you for calling what happened to Nick rape. I’ve met one too many people (including “feminists”) who say men can’t be raped by women. Also I wanted to point out that people tend to make crappy decisions when highly emotional. I’m hoping when Nick gets his head straight, he’ll realize that being with Adalind is a horrible idea. *sighs* That man needs a good cry, a good fight (not usually a good idea but he’s got too much anger right now), and a good talk with someone neutral asap.

Yep. Speaking from experience, abuse makes you do dumb shit. It makes you feel things that aren’t healthy, and often you don’t realise until it’s too late. It’s really sad that it happens, and it’s really sad that, in essence, you end up brainwashed into accepting situations you wouldn’t ordinarily deal with.

And I could totally get behind that happening to Nick – if it wasn’t played off as cute or sexy or anywhere approaching acceptable. 

I wanted to ask you to something on Kelly, and the realized there’s not a lot of him in the show. Why isn’t there more Kelly? With Nick? We need more of that.

We do! I did write a jokingly sarcastic response about how it’s a cunning framing device to make us feel more kindly towards Adalind, then I realised I was right and that’s exactly what it is.

In TV and Film there’s a device called Pat The Dog – if the character pats the dog, the audience sees them as a good person. It’s shorthand, if you will, to give people certain characteristics without them actually having to do anything kind or heroic within the story – usually saving time in the film. Harry Potter has it (talks to the snake at the zoo), the Ninth Doctor has it (cuddles a cat), any small act of kindness that the character didn’t have to do, like give change to a homeless person for example, is a Pat the Dog moment.

It’s not always animal based, it’s often used with babies, as in this case. We see Adalind performing various baby related duties with a smile on her face, the baby seems happy, if a person makes a baby happy they must be a good person.

To show Nick handling Kelly would distract from that at present, but to mention that Nick doesn’t do anything for Kelly would mean that Nick is a bad father. So, the only time you see Kelly on screen is with Adalind* so you feel more kindly towards her without her actually having to do anything kind or selfless to anyone else.

I for one would love to see more of Kelly, especially with Nick. I want to see how he feels towards Kelly, rather than the sense of duty he has towards him. I’d actually like to see more of Adalind and Kelly, beyond pat the dog moments. She has a great fear as well as a great longing for motherhood, but I’m sliding off your point here.

We do need more Nick and Kelly, I would like to know how he plans to raise him – knowing of the Wesen world, or not? And other similar questions. I’m really curious.

(*I know they had a couple of scenes together, but mainly it’s Adalind for the reasons outlined above. My drama training ruining TV shows again.)

Ca you please, please, please, put the gifs of Nick and Trubel scenes ? David and Jacqueline in a scene together is not good to me, definitelly. The hospital scene from The Rat King tells me, I am still with the feels of that scene ! Because, well : you are at a hospital bed, David Giuntoli visits you, squeezes your hand and… you die again e.e okay, I stop, hahaha Mari.

I’m going to get right on those today! Those are the last scenes from the episode I want to gif. I had to give my poor crappy laptop a break last night, Photoshop was slowly killing it.