For some strange reason I have a feeling that Zuri had a child by Hank. I mean they had a lot of sex and even though we don’t know what happened to Her I think in 20 years we’d find out that Zuri and Hank hooked up again. I mean if sean can be somewhat forgiven why not Zuri?

I completely understand people wanting a real romance arc and happy ending for Hank, but…to be honest, I find this somewhat unlikely for a few reasons.

First, Zuri was a member of Black Claw. She tried to say she was only a member because they threatened her brother, but her general attitude before and after that statement was made–plus the context, i.e. trying to gain her captors’ sympathies once she was caught–lends itself to the likelihood of that being a lie.

Black Claw was a Wesen purist organization not unlike the Wesenrein, except that where the Wesenrein seemed to want to return to an “old way” of doing things, Black Claw wanted a “new way” that involved Wesen dominion over humans. But both were based in ideas of Wesen blood purity and superiority, which means as a member of Black Claw, Zuri was unlikely to see Hank as “worthy” of her. She outright said she didn’t date non-Wesen when Hank expressed interest in her earlier in the series, and she only eventually pursued him or slept with him because Black Claw ordered her to.

And honestly? Hank deserves better than that. I’m not saying Zuri is beyond forgiveness or redemption completely. But redemption doesn’t always equal a romantic happily ever after, and maybe in some cases it shouldn’t. Like when the other person is someone who’s already been used and hurt multiple times by women who only expressed interest in him for nefarious ulterior purposes.

So while I would love to see Hank in a happy relationship, I would want it to be with someone who entered that relationship because they liked him, with no ulterior motives or intent to deceive/harm him or his friends.

And if Zuri was truly acting under duress? I would still want a relationship for her that doesn’t involve someone she was forced to sleep with as a survival tactic.

The ending was good but you can tell they didn’t have time to truly wrap things up. I mean the wesen council was destroyed in season 5 and that would make it much more difficult for the wesen to stay hidden from humans. I would assume that more humans know about the wesen world than they previously ever did especially in 20 years.

They definitely didn’t have enough time to wrap it all up or answer all the questions, including a lot of big-M Mythology questions that will probably torment me for all time.

For the Wesen Council, though…I kind of wonder if they wouldn’t have lieutenants or “heirs” for each member of the council, so that if something like that ever happened they wouldn’t be left totally without leadership. I mean…we didn’t see that necessarily, and it’s possible that even if they did exist Black Claw also got to them.

But it’s also possible that they went underground and into panic mode the second that attack was carried out. It just seems like shoddy leadership to me, to have a governing body without any provisions for “what if we’re all wiped out in some mass attack or natural disaster at once.” I mean, shitty as the American government is, even they have rules about the lines of succession.

So I think the Wesen Council probably exists in some form or another. Maybe much more secretive, strict, and ruthless than we knew them, but…they’re there.

‘No regrets’ was Juliette telling Nick she didn’t regret loving him & she didn’t regret THEM. Nick blamed himself for what happened to Juliette & he thought she must regret knowing him & wish she could change it. But she didn’t regret knowing or being with him. Silverhardt deserved happiness. In that scene where Julieve died there was clearly love between them still. Its so dumb they didn’t just make it official. Sure its kind of open to interpretation… but geeze ~~ Gwen

I can’t disagree with anything here. It was clear throughout seasons five and six that Nick had unresolved feelings. It was strongly hinted that Eve did in season five, and made completely obvious in season six.

But here’s the thing: I’m unhappy with the relationship Nick did plausibly end up in because it was poorly written and squicky in the extreme. But I’m actually okay with the way things ended between Nick and Eve, because the feelings were not completely denied or erased…Eve just made a choice not to pursue them any further. She decided some things were more important to her, and that she didn’t want to go back to the way things were.

And while I’m not necessarily happy about the way she got to that point…it was a great ending for a character, and not a choice you often see a character make and stick to.

I mean, most of the time on television when a woman decides she’s happy with just herself, she is a) punished soon after by the narrative or b) immediately meets “Mr. Right” and goes back on her previous statement. And while I know we often find what we were looking for when we stop looking, it’s just annoying to me that TV rarely if ever depicts a woman who is truly happy without a romance in her life, who has a larger purpose and better things to do.

So I was really happy with that aspect of Eve’s story. I just wish we could have gotten that without a side of rapist/victim squickily-ever-after.

how can anyone think juliette isnt sorry for what she did? she literally told nick she’d done terrible things that she could never forgive juliette for. how can anyone think she isnt repentent?

Honestly, I don’t think anyone who watched the show could think that, unless they just had hate-blinders on for the character. Yes, she said she wouldn’t change any of what happened…but saying you wouldn’t change something doesn’t mean you aren’t sorry for your mistakes. For one thing, in context she wasn’t excusing herself. She was comforting Nick, who was thinking she must wish she’d never met him, never loved him, because of the grenade his presence threw on her old life. She was trying to absolve him of some of his guilt for what happened to her.

For another, just look at her actions. She has done nothing since she came back but help the team, help Nick, try to protect him. Her very first on-screen act in season five was to save Nick and Co. from Black Claw operatives. And sure, you could argue that was on HW’s orders…but what about telling Adalind she’d better not hurt Nick? What about the way she basically kicked a swath of ass across Portland to rescue Nick from Black Claw? What about the way she literally collapsed trying to use her powers at the start of season six, and then apologized to Nick for not being strong enough to protect him? What about rushing at Zerstorer barely-armed and without any magic, basically putting herself between it/him and Nick?

She does everything possible to protect her friends. She never bristles or even contradicts anyone who brings up her prior actions as Juliette; she just stands there and takes it. That is not the behavior of someone who considers themselves guiltless, who has nothing to be sorry for.

She finds her prior actions so repulsive and unforgivable that she literally had to become someone else to cope with them.

She has never forgiven herself, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t sorry. Quite the opposite.

Granted…I find the handling of her story deeply unsatisfying on a narrative level. I mean clearly…others who have done things just as horrible or worse can be forgiven, so I see no reason why Juliette couldn’t have been, eventually. There were other ways to handle her redemption arc that would have better served her character and held Nick and the rest of the team more accountable for their part in what happened to her.

But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand that Eve–who was Juliette and still is parts of Juliette–is sorry for the hurtful things she did when she was first turned into a hexenbiest. I mean…you would have to seriously be looking for reasons to hate the character with no regard for what’s actually done and said in canon to think otherwise.

Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad refers to Renard. Or is she calling Nick Dad and Renard Daddy? And if Kelly is writing in the books that means Nick is dead 20 years in the future, right? (T___T)

I think Diana was probably talking about Adalind and Sean, and Kelly understood “mom and dad” to mean their mother and Diana’s dad. See this post for my reasons why, based on my own experiences growing up in a blended family.

I also don’t think there’s any reason to believe that Kelly writing in the books means that Nick is dead. I don’t think there’s a hard and fast rule about when a Grimm can start writing in the books. Even if there were, I doubt Nick and his friends/family would follow it. They’re a pretty unconventional lot.

Now, if you mean that writing in the books suggests Kelly has his Grimm powers, which means that Nick must be dead….well, I dunno. It was kind of suggested in the pilot that a family member dying was somehow linked to the next generation getting their powers. But it was never outright stated that this was the case, and subsequent events kind of muddied those waters a LOT.

The net result is that at the end of the show, one of the BIGGEST, most fundamental pieces of the show’s mythology remains unanswered: we never learned what EXACTLY triggers the onset of Grimm powers. All we know is that girls get their powers earlier than boys…but not what actually causes the change at either point. Is it mystical? Is it purely physiological? Is it a bit of both? We just don’t know. And even if we did, we can’t say for certain whether those rules would apply to Kelly, because he’s not just a Grimm…he’s the son of a Grimm and a Hexenbiest. He’s completely unprecedented.

So based on all that uncertainty and statements made by the show producers in several recent interviews, I’m leaning toward Nick still being alive in 20 years. There’s nothing to suggest they want us to think otherwise.

so nadalind is endgame. sorry grimm that was NOT the ending I wanted not at all. how could you burn seven years of history and dynamic for six months of forced passionate obsessive drama/romance? maybe its just me but that sucked and i’m really mad about it. i feel like i’ve been cheated by the writers. i used to love you grimm. why’d you have to go changing on me with stupid plots and a forced fake love story. silverhardt and the fans deserved better than this :'(

I’m…working through it, tbh. It’s pretty clear that’s what they want us to take from the finale scenes in the present day. But in a way, they still left it very open to interpretation by using no direct names of the original Team Grimm in the “20 years later” epilogue.

So. I’m disappointed as well. Very much so. But I’m trying to hold onto a few things:

Eve doesn’t get killed off in the end.
She gets to keep the powers that she clearly wanted to keep, giving her a way to protect herself and the people she cares about in this dangerous world they live in.
She’s happy and in a good place with all the rest of the team.
Not pursuing something with Nick again was very clearly framed as her choice, not his. So little about her arc and their relationship was her choice; I’m glad that she got to choose this, at least.

It’s entirely possible that, given time, things could have changed from what we saw in the final scenes. I know it’s unlikely, and it’s unlikely the writers ever meant us to interpret it that way. But. I’m taking what I can get because I love this show other than that heinously bad romantic subplot, and I don’t want to let it ruin all of the other good things about the show that I love.

The thing that bothers me the most about what Diana said about killing wesen is that we are supposed to believe that Nick raised Kelly and Diana and that to me just seems so out of character. That Nick would raise either of them to have a belief or even joke about something like that when for 6 years, he and the show were about showcasing that everything isn’t black and white and that there are other ways to handle wesen. It just bothers me that this was presented as possibly Nick’s influence. 1

Especially with the producers saying that it was a family thing with Nick/Adalind/Diana/Kelly. That line if Diana was genuine comes back to how she was probably raised and taught to think. I wish they had chosen another line. 2

See my previous answer for the reasons why it may not be Adalind and Nick she’s referring to when Diana says “mom and dad.”

That being said, the rest of your point stands. I find the line creates a lot of disconcerting possibilities around how Kelly and Diana grew up, and what they learned from their parents and the other adults in their lives. Then again…even the most well-meaning parents can sometimes instill prejudices in their kids.

I mean look at how quick Monroe was throughout the series to stereotype different Wesen, even as a Wesen who had consciously and deliberately made a choice to do something different with his life than the “old world” way. Even after being a victim of the ugliest forms of prejudice in his world and nearly losing his life, he was still quick to judge and pigeonhole other Wesen in certain situations.

So I see how it could happen even if Nick didn’t intend it to…but I still really, really wish they had chosen a different line.

I found the “wesen to kill” line in bad taste, but I liked the “mom and dad” one even less. It’s Diana saying it, but it still sounds like they want it to mean Nick and Adalind, doesn’t it? :(

It’s hard to say. I doubt Diana would ever call Nick “dad.” Granted, she might if she grew up being parented by both him and Sean more or less equally from a young age.

I grew up in a very blended family situation, and I’ve seen both. I call my stepmother “momma,” for example, because she’s been a mother to me since I was three. Then again, one of my sisters calls her parents “mom” and “dad” and my father “Uncle D—.” And my other sister calls her parents “mom” and “dad” and her sister’s father by his first name. And it’s just understood that whoever’s talking means their biological parents when they say “mom” or “dad.”

So it’s entirely possible that when she says “mom and dad” she means Adalind and Sean, and Kelly understands this. It’s also possible that at some point she started calling Nick “dad” as well…but I find it somewhat unlikely, since she consistently called him Nick throughout the series.

I am frustrated at the finale cause they neither showed us the triplets nor did we get a Monroe and Nick hug but it is still extremely good since I did not expect the happy ending farewell my beloved show 😭

Same! I was hoping to get to see their triplets. I’m considering doing a fan cast of them at some point.

But at the same time, I kind of understand. They had thirteen episodes to answer as many of the questions and tie up as many of the plotlines as possible, and there was no way they were going to be able to tell us everything, much less show us everything. So I’m really glad that, at the very least, we know that Monroe and Rosalee had their kids and that those kids grew up and remained close with Diana and Kelly.

Can I ask- how did you feel about the last line Diana said in the finale? I felt like her saying “we have wesen to kill” kinda seemed like a disservice to the what the characters had gone through to prove that nothing is as black and white as Grimm vs. Wesen. I wish it was something more like “we have a war to fight” or something like that but maybe it’s just me…

It’s not just you. I agree with you. I wish they had found another line to give her that would have indicated they’re still fighting the good fight. I mean, they have three presumably-close friends who are Wesen. Technically, Diana is also Wesen, albeit very different from any others we’ve seen. Her parents are Wesen. One of Kelly’s parents is Wesen. Kelly actually has a chance of having a Wesen child one day, as does Diana potentially.

So having her say “we have Wesen to kill” and having Kelly be totally fine with that seems like a really messed-up line, and not at all in keeping with the themes of the rest of the show.

I mean, there are so many other options:

“We have a job to do.”
“We have work to do.”
“We have a case.”
“Time to fight the good fight.”

There are tons of lines that would have done a better job of conveying what they were trying to convey.