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Grimm Ultimate Fighter Poll: Round 2 Results

Results are in! The final results of round 2 are listed below.

In Poll 1, Nick Burkhardt absolutely demolished the competition with 95% of the vote. Decapitare much?

In Poll 2, Juliette swept with 83% of the vote. That’s my girl!

In Poll 3, Monroe came out on top with 53.6% of the vote. Good boy!

In Poll 4, Meisner killed it with 77.2% of the vote. Sorry Alice!

And in Poll 5, little Diana skewered the competition with 93.3% of the vote. I’m backing away slowly!

Does Diana being used as constant plot device annoy you?

Honestly I never thought of it that way.

I mean, she definitely became the majority of what drove and motivated Adalind from mid-season 3 to the end of the show, and I have issues with basically all tropes hovering in that area of “motherhood as motivator.” Shows (and action movies) love to do this to women: give them a kid to motivate them or further/change the course of their development. Because apparently nothing else works for us ladies, right?

I kind of see Grimm as all one long-game plot, though, of which Diana is only one part. Granted, in some ways it’s not a very well-executed one. I feel like they stretched it out way too much in the name of mystery, and then had to squeeze everything in those last two seasons when their ratings dropped…to the point that an endgame which really started with the very first episode ended up feeling less tied together than it could have in the end.

I mean, think about it: Nick, one of the last remaining Grimms, gets that first key in the pilot, one of seven created and scattered by the Knights Templar, who were apparently supposed to be Grimms. And then he continues to gather keys throughout the seasons, until he has enough to get a partial map.

Those keys lead to the Black Forest and the Stick of Destiny, which turns out to be a piece of the magic staff that Zerstorer holds, and which Nick eventually becomes the protector of after defeating Zerstorer. Meanwhile Zerstorer’s goal was to control Diana, who only existed via Adalind’s personal plotline, which was set in motion back in season one when Nick took her powers…or, arguably, in the pilot itself, when Renard sent Adalind to kill Marie as part of his ploy to get the key.

So many little things could not have happened without so many other little things happening, to the point that when you step back and look at it, it looks much tighter story-wise than it seems in the show. There’s definitely an element of destiny running throughout it, like everything that happened was meant to happen in one way or another. Unfortunately, we don’t really get the full impact of that in the execution.

So…I guess the idea of Diana being a plot device never bothered me because that’s not how I saw it, so much as that she was clearly a key player in whatever events were going to unfold, for better or worse.

That being said, I still have a lot of questions. Like how did Zerstorer end up in the other world anyway? Did he originate there? If so, how did he get the staff? Did it originate there or in our world? Did he once cross to our world and have to be banished? Did he originate here and have to be banished? Can I please get a comic series telling me the story behind those damn knights and the damn stick and Zerstorer and how it all ties together, PRETTY PLEASE?

Any head canons for 19 yr old Kelly and older sister Diana?

  • She totally still levitates him when she’s annoyed with him.
  • As a little kid he was very vocally indignant at this; now he just kinda sits cross-legged in mid-air and glares at her.
  • Diana’s rapid aging was intentional on her part; she was trying to grow up faster so she could use her powers to find her mom. Once she’s back with her family, she starts growing up at a normal rate. This one isn’t really about them as adults, but leads into…
  • When Kelly is 9 years old, Diana goes off to college in New York. He doesn’t really understand why she has to go, and he’s inconsolable for days after she leaves. But ten years later, he gets it. He did his first year at the University of Portland, but now he kind of wants to get out and see more of the world. So of course, who does he go to for advice but his big sister?
  • Kelly doesn’t have powers. They’re not sure if this is because he’s half-Grimm, half-Hexenbiest and the two cancelled each other out, or because male Grimms don’t come into their powers until later. His dad was never totally clear on how that worked, and honestly…given Nick didn’t get his powers until someone he loved died, Kelly isn’t super anxious to find out.
  • Diana is always a little mischievous with her magic, even once she gets past that little kid stage where everything is id.
  • Diana always has a slightly difficult relationship with her father. She loves him, but they don’t always see eye to eye and she’s furious about some of the situations he put her in as a kid. Kelly is the only person she talks about this with.

That’s all for now! Thanks for asking!

somekindofsaviour
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Thank you. Sean is an asshole, but he’s been consistent about wanting to be Diana’s dad.

That’s how I feel, too. And while I agree wholeheartedly with (and am a living example of) @resistpoisontangface‘s statement that you can have more than one dad–or mom for that matter–I also know that kids tend to pick up on their parents’ feelings about certain things and act accordingly. And I cannot ever see Sean being okay with Diana calling someone else “dad,” least of all Nick. Give it 20 years or 200 years, it ain’t gonna happen.

So based just on my own personal experience, and the fact that Diana consistently called Nick by his first name, I don’t think she meant Nick when she said “dad.” I don’t interpret it that way. It’s fine if other people do, but I never will. And that’s not a reflection on how I view Nick’s role in Diana’s life. That’s just how I feel about how she’d apply the label.

The thing that bothers me the most about what Diana said about killing wesen is that we are supposed to believe that Nick raised Kelly and Diana and that to me just seems so out of character. That Nick would raise either of them to have a belief or even joke about something like that when for 6 years, he and the show were about showcasing that everything isn’t black and white and that there are other ways to handle wesen. It just bothers me that this was presented as possibly Nick’s influence. 1

Especially with the producers saying that it was a family thing with Nick/Adalind/Diana/Kelly. That line if Diana was genuine comes back to how she was probably raised and taught to think. I wish they had chosen another line. 2

See my previous answer for the reasons why it may not be Adalind and Nick she’s referring to when Diana says “mom and dad.”

That being said, the rest of your point stands. I find the line creates a lot of disconcerting possibilities around how Kelly and Diana grew up, and what they learned from their parents and the other adults in their lives. Then again…even the most well-meaning parents can sometimes instill prejudices in their kids.

I mean look at how quick Monroe was throughout the series to stereotype different Wesen, even as a Wesen who had consciously and deliberately made a choice to do something different with his life than the “old world” way. Even after being a victim of the ugliest forms of prejudice in his world and nearly losing his life, he was still quick to judge and pigeonhole other Wesen in certain situations.

So I see how it could happen even if Nick didn’t intend it to…but I still really, really wish they had chosen a different line.

I found the “wesen to kill” line in bad taste, but I liked the “mom and dad” one even less. It’s Diana saying it, but it still sounds like they want it to mean Nick and Adalind, doesn’t it? :(

It’s hard to say. I doubt Diana would ever call Nick “dad.” Granted, she might if she grew up being parented by both him and Sean more or less equally from a young age.

I grew up in a very blended family situation, and I’ve seen both. I call my stepmother “momma,” for example, because she’s been a mother to me since I was three. Then again, one of my sisters calls her parents “mom” and “dad” and my father “Uncle D—.” And my other sister calls her parents “mom” and “dad” and her sister’s father by his first name. And it’s just understood that whoever’s talking means their biological parents when they say “mom” or “dad.”

So it’s entirely possible that when she says “mom and dad” she means Adalind and Sean, and Kelly understands this. It’s also possible that at some point she started calling Nick “dad” as well…but I find it somewhat unlikely, since she consistently called him Nick throughout the series.