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‘No regrets’ was Juliette telling Nick she didn’t regret loving him & she didn’t regret THEM. Nick blamed himself for what happened to Juliette & he thought she must regret knowing him & wish she could change it. But she didn’t regret knowing or being with him. Silverhardt deserved happiness. In that scene where Julieve died there was clearly love between them still. Its so dumb they didn’t just make it official. Sure its kind of open to interpretation… but geeze ~~ Gwen

I can’t disagree with anything here. It was clear throughout seasons five and six that Nick had unresolved feelings. It was strongly hinted that Eve did in season five, and made completely obvious in season six.

But here’s the thing: I’m unhappy with the relationship Nick did plausibly end up in because it was poorly written and squicky in the extreme. But I’m actually okay with the way things ended between Nick and Eve, because the feelings were not completely denied or erased…Eve just made a choice not to pursue them any further. She decided some things were more important to her, and that she didn’t want to go back to the way things were.

And while I’m not necessarily happy about the way she got to that point…it was a great ending for a character, and not a choice you often see a character make and stick to.

I mean, most of the time on television when a woman decides she’s happy with just herself, she is a) punished soon after by the narrative or b) immediately meets “Mr. Right” and goes back on her previous statement. And while I know we often find what we were looking for when we stop looking, it’s just annoying to me that TV rarely if ever depicts a woman who is truly happy without a romance in her life, who has a larger purpose and better things to do.

So I was really happy with that aspect of Eve’s story. I just wish we could have gotten that without a side of rapist/victim squickily-ever-after.

how can anyone think juliette isnt sorry for what she did? she literally told nick she’d done terrible things that she could never forgive juliette for. how can anyone think she isnt repentent?

Honestly, I don’t think anyone who watched the show could think that, unless they just had hate-blinders on for the character. Yes, she said she wouldn’t change any of what happened…but saying you wouldn’t change something doesn’t mean you aren’t sorry for your mistakes. For one thing, in context she wasn’t excusing herself. She was comforting Nick, who was thinking she must wish she’d never met him, never loved him, because of the grenade his presence threw on her old life. She was trying to absolve him of some of his guilt for what happened to her.

For another, just look at her actions. She has done nothing since she came back but help the team, help Nick, try to protect him. Her very first on-screen act in season five was to save Nick and Co. from Black Claw operatives. And sure, you could argue that was on HW’s orders…but what about telling Adalind she’d better not hurt Nick? What about the way she basically kicked a swath of ass across Portland to rescue Nick from Black Claw? What about the way she literally collapsed trying to use her powers at the start of season six, and then apologized to Nick for not being strong enough to protect him? What about rushing at Zerstorer barely-armed and without any magic, basically putting herself between it/him and Nick?

She does everything possible to protect her friends. She never bristles or even contradicts anyone who brings up her prior actions as Juliette; she just stands there and takes it. That is not the behavior of someone who considers themselves guiltless, who has nothing to be sorry for.

She finds her prior actions so repulsive and unforgivable that she literally had to become someone else to cope with them.

She has never forgiven herself, but that doesn’t mean she isn’t sorry. Quite the opposite.

Granted…I find the handling of her story deeply unsatisfying on a narrative level. I mean clearly…others who have done things just as horrible or worse can be forgiven, so I see no reason why Juliette couldn’t have been, eventually. There were other ways to handle her redemption arc that would have better served her character and held Nick and the rest of the team more accountable for their part in what happened to her.

But that doesn’t mean I don’t understand that Eve–who was Juliette and still is parts of Juliette–is sorry for the hurtful things she did when she was first turned into a hexenbiest. I mean…you would have to seriously be looking for reasons to hate the character with no regard for what’s actually done and said in canon to think otherwise.

so nadalind is endgame. sorry grimm that was NOT the ending I wanted not at all. how could you burn seven years of history and dynamic for six months of forced passionate obsessive drama/romance? maybe its just me but that sucked and i’m really mad about it. i feel like i’ve been cheated by the writers. i used to love you grimm. why’d you have to go changing on me with stupid plots and a forced fake love story. silverhardt and the fans deserved better than this :'(

I’m…working through it, tbh. It’s pretty clear that’s what they want us to take from the finale scenes in the present day. But in a way, they still left it very open to interpretation by using no direct names of the original Team Grimm in the “20 years later” epilogue.

So. I’m disappointed as well. Very much so. But I’m trying to hold onto a few things:

  • Eve doesn’t get killed off in the end.
  • She gets to keep the powers that she clearly wanted to keep, giving her a way to protect herself and the people she cares about in this dangerous world they live in.
  • She’s happy and in a good place with all the rest of the team.
  • Not pursuing something with Nick again was very clearly framed as her choice, not his. So little about her arc and their relationship was her choice; I’m glad that she got to choose this, at least.

It’s entirely possible that, given time, things could have changed from what we saw in the final scenes. I know it’s unlikely, and it’s unlikely the writers ever meant us to interpret it that way. But. I’m taking what I can get because I love this show other than that heinously bad romantic subplot, and I don’t want to let it ruin all of the other good things about the show that I love.

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I kinda headcanon that while Trubel saw Juliette as a kind, almost motherly figure, she might have also had a tiny bit of a crush on her… but if the mother and daughter dynamic were more substantial, I would definitely not ship it because

it’s pretty creepy to ship people who have pseudo-familial ties even if they are not blood related.

Woah, agreed. And it’s entirely possible, I guess, that Trubel might have had a bit of a crush. I can definitely see that interpretation from the way she acted around Juliette in seasons 3-4.

I actually didn’t even consider the thought of them ending up together in a shippy way, tbh, though I can understand how it might be meant/taken that way. I’ve never shipped Trubel with any of the other main cast, although I know it’s a thing that happens in the fandom.

I would like to see them together as in physically in the same place and supporting each other. But it would be odd and a little squicky for me to see them in a romantic or sexual relationship. Partly because I always did interpret their bond as very mother-daughter or older and younger sister, especially the latter when Juliette became Eve. Also partly because of the way Trubel came into Juliette’s life–desperate, lonely, and in need of so much help–and the fact that she’s about 11 years younger than Juliette/Eve. It would seem a little…predatory? Take-advantage-y? It would be weird.

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“If Adalind and Nick end up happily together and Juliette is left alone…”

If we can’t have Nick and Juliette back together, I want Juliette and Trouble to go off together – they were so close before Juliette got cursed and I would at least like to see that back.

That would be completely amazing. I love them both and they were really close. Juliette was so important to Trubel before her transformation, and then Trubel was arguably the only friend Eve had at Hadrian’s Wall.

I hope someday we get to see the backstory of how Trubel first got involved in HW and Eve’s journey from violent half-dead hexenbiest to precision weapon with no emotions. I know it would have to be a companion novel or comic book or something, which I’m fine with…I just want to know more about that missing piece of the story for both of them.

If Adalind and Nick end up happily together and Juliette is left alone – or killed off again – I won’t forgive Grimm. I haven’t put up with two+ seasons of crap just to see my favorite character and ship go down in flames.

I obviously have no idea what’s going to happen on Friday, but barring some kind of massive reset I can’t see Juliette ending up with anyone romantically at this point. I do hope she doesn’t die and I hope she’s not alone. She’s lost so much–now she’s even lost the power and the purpose she’d finally learned to accept. So I hope they don’t give her a sad or abrupt ending. I hope they do justice to all the writing she’s had up to this point. Even if that doesn’t include a “happily ever after” with Nick…I would settle for just “happily.”

I love Juliette so much, too. She’s one of my all-time favorite characters and I really hope they don’t ruin her just for the sake of eleventh-hour drama or manpain.