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Okay but like…that short conversation between Eve and Trubel tells us so much. Like that Juliette is definitely still in there, but Eve keeps a careful lock on those emotions and thoughts. Possibly because Juliette is still so angry?

Especially, I’d imagine, now that everyone is being so understanding about Adalind. That line about others’ reactions determining whether your actions are good or bad? Like damn.

im wondering if the royals are going to make any reappearance soon, because if seans family is going to be a public display, then people are going to notice diana. it would be interesting if they came into the scene and took out some of black claw. on another note, it bugs me that monroe & nick as a blutbad & grimm can not act violently despite stereotypically being violent by nature, but biests are apparently doomed to act the way they do and cant rise above it now??

I feel like the Royals have to make an appearance soon, assuming they’re done licking their wounds from having now lost several members of their line of succession. Because they really wanted Diana, for one thing. I actually kind of wonder if we’re headed toward Renard taking his place as head of House Kronenberg eventually. I mean, they’ve gotta be running short on princes at this point.

As for the hexenbiest/zauberbiest thing, I am totally with you. Although I don’t necessarily think that they can’t rise above it. If that’s what the writers are really going for they’ve screwed up big time, because we have seen several hexenbiests who are perfectly capable of controlling their powers and themselves (Elizabeth, Henrietta, Eve although that’s a weird case). And Adalind doesn’t seem to have gone spontaneously darkside again with the return of her powers, so I dunno…it may be one of those cases of that being what is believed but not what is actually true.

And if you think about it, it makes sense considering the sources that information is coming from: Adalind, who’s only ever known the dark side of being a hexenbiest and who only recently found the resolve to really want to change, is terrified of what those powers may do to that resolve. And Eve, who’s also only ever known the dark side of hexenbiest powers, was “broken” in order to bring them under control. That doesn’t necessarily mean she couldn’t have learned to control them any other way, but that’s what her experience–with herself and with Adalind–tells her.

I mean think about it: if hexenbiests were as all-out destructive and dangerous and out of control normally as Adalind and Eve seem to think, they would have been hunted down and eradicated, or nearly eradicated, by now. We’ve seen this with plenty of other Wesen being murdered in droves by Grimms, by the Verrat, by the Wesen Council, or even by their own parents as small children because they exhibited some trait that was considered “too dangerous.” So I think that on the whole, hexenbiests must manage to figure their shit out somehow, or they wouldn’t still be around.

That happens a lot on this show: something will be considered common knowledge or indisputable truth, and then it will be revealed that it’s actually not or there’s some kind of exception/loophole. Like Juliette becoming a hexenbiest, or there being a cure for Grausen, or Lycanthropia being exclusive to blutbaden. A lot of times, it’s just a matter of “these exact and very specific circumstances to create this anomaly have never happened before.” Team Grimm encounters a lot of that, but because their main sources of information are Wesen who were raised with certain beliefs, it sometimes takes them a while to get to that “aha” moment.

How do you all feel about the entire Juliette/Eve situation? Personally I’m hoping Juliette doesn’t come back for various reasons that have nothing to do with disliking the character or Bitsie (I love both of them so so much) and I’ve been meaning to make some long posts about it on my Grimm blog but while I’m not currently up for that, I thought I’d ask what your opinions are

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

Hey there – Admin Liz here. I, personally, am just happy Bitise is around. I hope at some point the writers respect the characters of Eve and Juliette and give us some more information on how she was resurrected/changed/broken. I think there is still some Juliette in there (we see glimpses of her, now and again), and I’d like Eve to be able to find a nice halfway point between who Juliette was, pre-hexen, and who Eve is. It terrifies me that she refers to herself as a tool and an asset rather than a human being and I hope she eventually gains some autonomy and personal agency. Do I think that Eve could ever get back the relationships that Juliette lost? Not necessarily, but I think that Eve truly sees herself as a completely separate person, so it wouldn’t be a huge emotional loss for her.

 I think Eve is here to stay, but that we might see more Juliette coming out from under the surface the more time she spends around Team Grimm. 

Hi, Admin Liza here! Oh boy, do I have thoughts on Eve and Juliette and what’s going on there.

I agree that I’m happy to see Bitsie still in the show in (almost) any form. I also do share Liz’s need to know exactly what went on with her resurrection and transformation. Juliette was a very strong-willed person and an incredibly powerful Hexenbiest, and so far as we’ve seen HW had nothing and no one as powerful before they “broke” her to create Eve…so how did they even manager to do that?

Did they dampen her powers somehow? We know there’s only one spell that can really suppress them, but Hexenbiests are still susceptible to regular controlled substances, and I feel like any amount of brainwashing, let alone something that thorough, would almost certainly involve the use of drugs at some point. *shudder*

What I find most horrifying is the possibility–slightly suggested in one of Bitsie’s early season 5 interviews–that Juliette actually chose at some point to just lose herself in whatever they were putting her through in order to escape the feelings of abandonment, betrayal, anger, isolation, loss, and regret over everything that had happened to her. The idea that her existence was so painful that it was easier to just completely shut down and voluntarily dehumanize herself…it’s painful to think about, but would also make perfect sense with the way we’ve seen Eve behave so far.

See, I not only think Juliette is still in there, I’m like 90% certain that’s what the writers want us to think.

Moreover, I don’t think Juliette ever really left, and while I do think Eve is a separate personality, I also think she’s something of a way for Juliette to protect herself, rather than a replacement that’s edged her out or locked her down.

Eve tries a little too hard, in my opinion, to stay detached whenever she’s outside the HW base–wearing the wigs, avoiding direct interaction, avoiding eye contact, keeping physical distance unless absolutely necessary when she does interact–for someone who’s just completely severed themselves from any of the emotions associated with their old life and memories.

Her interactions with regards to Nick, in particular, make me think Juliette and all her emotions have been there the whole time, ready to kick up a fuss the second “Eve” lets her guard down.

We’ve seen Eve get up close and personal with only a few people (that she wasn’t directly attacking): Nick, Adalind, and Rosalee. In both the Adalind and Rosalee instances, she was displaying very un-Eve-like behavior: showing concern for Nick, expressing protectiveness toward him.

Of the times she gets really close to Nick, two were because he approached her first, and one was because they were in close quarters and she couldn’t get further away.

In the scenes where he approaches her, she either avoids eye contact all together or completely shuts down: stares blankly, talks business-only: short, to-the-point sentences, no more information than he asks for. She doesn’t make eye contact with him in the restaurant until he demands it, and even then it seems more like a knee-jerk reaction to being given an order than something she wants to do. When she tells him she regrets that he never got the chance to bury Juliette, she does it looking away from him. And in both instances, she leaves almost immediately after.

More recently, when she’s in the car with him, she barely looks at him, glancing at him a few times but never maintaining the kind of sustained, attentive eye contact he maintains as he talks to her. She also never shifts toward him, maintaining a distance between them even though he shifts and turns to be closer to her several times.

She doesn’t seem to need quite this level of emotional distance if other people are around, or if there’s a physical distance in place between them. But the fact remains that Eve is extra-careful about that distance when it comes to Nick, more so than with any other character.

And all of this taken together with her sudden displays of protectiveness point, for me, to Juliette’s emotional connection to Nick in particular not being completely gone, and Eve having to work a lot harder to keep contact with him from breaching that protective exterior.

(I’m also unabashedly and unashamedly dying to see that exterior just crack open, because while I find Eve interesting I miss Juliette like you would not believe, and I want to see her return and all of the mess from last season really get dealt with by everyone.)

How do you all feel about the entire Juliette/Eve situation? Personally I’m hoping Juliette doesn’t come back for various reasons that have nothing to do with disliking the character or Bitsie (I love both of them so so much) and I’ve been meaning to make some long posts about it on my Grimm blog but while I’m not currently up for that, I thought I’d ask what your opinions are

Hey there – Admin Liz here. I, personally, am just happy Bitise is around. I hope at some point the writers respect the characters of Eve and Juliette and give us some more information on how she was resurrected/changed/broken. I think there is still some Juliette in there (we see glimpses of her, now and again), and I’d like Eve to be able to find a nice halfway point between who Juliette was, pre-hexen, and who Eve is. It terrifies me that she refers to herself as a tool and an asset rather than a human being and I hope she eventually gains some autonomy and personal agency. Do I think that Eve could ever get back the relationships that Juliette lost? Not necessarily, but I think that Eve truly sees herself as a completely separate person, so it wouldn’t be a huge emotional loss for her.

 I think Eve is here to stay, but that we might see more Juliette coming out from under the surface the more time she spends around Team Grimm.