fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

fuckyeahnickburkhardt:

Hi Anon – Admin Liz here. I think that Sean and Nick have had a very tense relationship (however you want to define it, romantic, friend, coworkers, etc) ever since Nick presented as a Grimm. 

Team Grimm has always been sort of suspicious of Renard, and who can blame them? His motivations have never been obvious, and we really have no idea where his loyalties lie (nowhere in my opinion, I think he’s out for himself, which is one of the reasons I love him). 

Ever since S1, they’ve relied on each other out of necessity – they know a lot of secrets about each other. The conflict we’re seeing between them this season is something that seems to have been building for a while now, and I’m excited to see how it gets resolved (whether it ends in Renard being our Big Bad, or in him tellng Nick he has a plan, or something completely out of left field). 

Hi Anon! Admin Liza here with my own two cents.

I actually find the tension between them now a little sudden and oddly contrived, given the events of the last two seasons in particular.

Renard definitely did not have the team’s trust in the beginning, but since season two they’ve relied heavily on him to go about their business, and in season three he actually trusted them enough to not only allow them to, but assist them in making off with his infant daughter. That’s a lot of faith to put in anyone.

Not to mention that he was the one who originally figured out what Adalind had done to Nick, and tried desperately to get the antidote to him in time–in fact died trying to do so.

Then, on the team’s side, they have worked very closely with Renard and trusted him with a lot up until this season, and showed real concern and caring when he was shot…not to mention that they went way out of their way to save him when he was possessed by Jack the Ripper, endangering themselves in order to help him.

In fact, Renard’s been involved in one way or another in everything they’ve done up until the magic stick’s discovery. And while the fandom has certainly had its questions about his true motives and trustworthiness over the years, the actual characters haven’t questioned his place as a part of their team in a long time. Moreover, there’s very clearly been a level of mutual respect and understanding there, and an ability to talk about things, even things that were difficult or personal.

So it just seems…odd to me, this sudden turn of events, with none of them talking to each other or trusting each other. Renard suddenly doesn’t trust Nick and Co. enough to tell them what’s going on with Black Claw (specifically that his main reason for siding with them is that they have his daughter)? Nick and Hank suddenly don’t trust him enough to ask him point-blank what’s going on? Monroe and Rosalee suddenly have never trusted him at all, despite two seasons’ worth of evidence to the contrary? It just…doesn’t add up for me.

Honestly, it reminds me a little too much of the way things went with Juliette last season. The writers were determined to sever her ties with the team, and they weren’t overly concerned with how much sense that process actually made in light of everything that came before so long as they got to the ending they wanted.

Never mind that this course of action (and certain other poorly-developed and ill-conceived plot developments) have led to the first real renewal scare this show has had since its first season. They’re still gonna do it again.

(If I sound a little bitter and disappointed, Nonny, it’s because I am.)

Hi, Admin Siobhan here!

I have a horrible feeling that they’re really gunning for the Biests are TERRIBLE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THE BIEST so therefore Sean must be a horrible person because he still has his Biest and this distresses me 

Also, the fact that Black Claw specifically want to use Diana as a weapon, which is the one thing Sean could not abide and yet is apparently fine with this if he’s the one who benefits, not Viktor? Utter character assassination. 

Sean Renard has been courting Nick since BEFORE Series One, and he’s gonna throw it away for Black Claw? A terrorist organisation who despise Kehrseite? And presumably half-Kehrseite, like Sean, since Zuri and co think Wesen/Human relationships are disgusting?

Like, I know Renard’s no angel. I know he’s out for himself. However, after all he’s sacrificed, the Key, his daughter, his own life, for Nick, why would he do the two things Nick will despise him for? A) join Black Claw and b) lie about it

Nick isn’t dim, he’d know the value of someone on the inside, especially someone they went to all that trouble to recruit

And Sean, for all his selfishness, does believe in a free world, a world without monarchy and tyrants – sure, he’d probably like a world without the lies like Black Claw do, but there’s no way he’d go for people being murdered just for what they are, not when his own family tried to do it to him

Like, the reason Sean was such a good villain/anti-villian/anti-hero was because most of the time, he thinks he’s doing the right thing. And killing Kehrseite purely because that’s what they are? No way does he think that’s the right thing.

(Also, do you know which particular character’s refusal to talk to Sean is really OOC? HANK! Hank was probably the closest thing to a friend Renard had, like he even specifically asked Hank for his support, and then Hank never asked him why. Not ‘why are you working with Black Claw?’ but ‘Why are you running for Mayor? What are you doing? How does it all work? How are you feeling?’ all of these questions could have helped Hank find out about where Renard actually stood, and Renard probably would’ve told him the truth, but he’s been shown nothing but a blank wall from both of them, so he’s gotta know they know? It’s just…aargh. )