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Do you think that Nick has a limit on how much trauma he can handle and then goes “Screw it”? So after Juliette’s descent, Kelly’s death, Kelly’s birth, Trubel, and now the uprising, he’s just in “Screw it” mode?

I don’t know if Nick has reached “screw it” mode yet so much as he’s running on autopilot. He hasn’t even had time to reach the level of emotional doneness that leads to “screw it” mode. I think he’s dealing with each thing as it comes and not really processing each fresh burden or trauma…and yes, I do think there’s a limit. Nick is still human, after all. There’s only so much most of us can take before we break down. I hope he has a chance to stop, take stock, and deal before he gets to that point. 

Seeing as how the last time Juliette had free will she set up Kelly to be killed, helped kidnap a todler and tried to murder Nick, I’m not terribly fussed about this development TBH. At least she’s only killing bad people now.

Actually, the last time Juliette had free will she tried to save her friends by helping Nick get back the powers that were ruining her life, because she cared more about what they needed than what she wanted.

And I wouldn’t be too quick to trust Hadrian’s Wall so completely. How do we know that the people they’ve marked for death are all bad people? Even if they are bad people, who is HW to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner?

These people kidnapped Trubel once before, covered up multiple murders, and took a dying woman and subjected her to a level of psychological torment that has severed her from her own identity. We actually have no idea what they did to Trubel to “convince” her to work with them. How do we know it wasn’t a less severe version of what they did to Juliette?

I’m just saying, these people deal in secrets, shadows, death, and control. Just because Black Claw seems pretty clearly bad and Hadrian’s Wall opposes them doesn’t mean Hadrian’s Wall is good. From where I’m sitting, their methods are pretty similar and their reasons are just as shady.

A lot of people are quick to condemn Adalind for “raping” Nick but so many seem to forget that she only did that because the royals (who Nick and his friends had lead her to believe had Diana) ordered her to do that and told her it was the only way she’d ever see her daughter again. It’s not nearly as black and white as some people make it seem.

A lot of people are also quick to forget that Adalind has been told to do a lot of things and always seems to resort to sexual violence to get them done. And that being desperate doesn’t excuse doing horrible things.

Sean told her to get the key? Adalind’s plan to get the key was to cast a spell on Hank, rape him, and then use the fact that his life was in danger to try to force Nick to hand over the key.

Adalind loses her powers and wants revenge? She decides, on her own, to cast a spell on Juliette that can only be broken with the massively bad side effect of creating an obsessive and dangerous attraction between Juliette and whoever rescues her…which robs both parties of their agency and violates them both in a fundamental way. She also had sex with Sean while he was under the influence of this spell, which arguably robbed him of the ability to say no to her.

The Royals tell Adalind to neutralize Nick as a threat? Adalind’s plan to do so was to cast a spell on herself and rape Nick, which stripped him of his powers.

I’m not saying Adalind hasn’t found herself in some desperate situations. I’m not even saying I don’t find her sympathetic at times. But I can acknowledge the difficulties she’s faced without turning those into excuses for the horrible things she’s done.

And what do you admins think about Trubnick(or Truhardt, whatever :P ) , aka my new shipper <3 <3 <3 ? You admins think it could be a possibility of Nick and Trubel being endgame(and a badass Grimm couple) *-* ? Mari.

I personally don’t ship it. The 10+ years’ worth of an age gap would be problematic for some people on its own, but for me the thing that makes me not want to ship it romantically is the fact that Nick effectively rescued Trubel, kept her from being arrested for murder, and that sense of gratitude makes for a bigger power imbalance than the age gap alone, which I’m uncomfortable with.

I think to some extent, it depends on the perspective of the shipper. I’m right between Nick’s age and Trubel’s, so I would feel weird shipping a girl barely old enough to be out of college with a guy my age, much less someone who had a few years on me. And I think fans of any age have a responsibility to consider the ramifications of age and power dynamics in what they ship, the fanworks they produce, and how they interact with younger fans.

That being said, for a fan who’s Trubel’s age and shipping Trubel with Nick, I understand it a little better. A lot of young people find themselves attracted to people quite a bit older than they are (see my massive crushes on celebrities from Jensen Ackles to Tom Cavanagh, the latter of which is older than my own father). And having a place like fanfiction to explore that safely is, to my mind, a good thing.

Where my worries start is with the notion of the writers making anything romantic between Trubel and Nick canon. That’s a context I’m not comfortable with.

Ca you please, please, please, put the gifs of Nick and Trubel scenes ? David and Jacqueline in a scene together is not good to me, definitelly. The hospital scene from The Rat King tells me, I am still with the feels of that scene ! Because, well : you are at a hospital bed, David Giuntoli visits you, squeezes your hand and… you die again e.e okay, I stop, hahaha Mari.

I’m going to get right on those today! Those are the last scenes from the episode I want to gif. I had to give my poor crappy laptop a break last night, Photoshop was slowly killing it.

I know you’re not really a Nadalind fan, but if you have time, would you mind making gifs of their kiss?

I’m sorry anon, but for me it goes well beyond simply not being a fan of it. I find the ship itself deeply problematic and it personally reminds me of things I’d rather not think about, so I won’t be creating gifs of that scene or any of their scenes. There’s a sizeable Nadalind fanbase though, so I’m sure if you give it a day or two the scene will be gif’d all over the place.

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.