adelindschade
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Are you rewatching, too!?!?

I know we don’t see eye to eye on Adalind but this statement is 💯.

Her arc tho. There was room for improvement but her arc was quite the transition. And I like all the analysis that came from it, too! She’s a very… interesting character to say the least but always, always woven within the thread. She one way or another decided the outcome, whether she anticipated it or not.

Yes! Well, very slowly, as real life allows.

And yes, there’s no doubt that Adalind has one of the most drastic changes from start to finish of any other character on the show (I think the only comparable one is Juliette, and I think in a lot of ways their arcs actually mirror each other).

And she absolutely moved the plot more than any other single character I can think of, from start to finish. In fact I feel like every major shift in the show’s plot came from her character in one way or another. The end of seasons one, three, and four without question, and arguably the endgame is set into motion by her as well, in a way.

i love grimm but in the later seasons it was seriously lacking monroe & nick bromance. that’s what really pulled me into grimm and it made me sad that pretty much faded when n/dalind took center stage

To be honest, I think it faded long before that. I mean, don’t get me wrong, not a Nadalind fan AT ALL but this is one thing I don’t think we can lay at that ship’s door. Monroe and Nick’s bromance dropped by like 80% around mid-season 2, after Monrosalee really took off and Hank learned the truth and became part of Team Grimm.

That’s not to say that either Hank or Monrosalee should be blamed for it, either…I think it was just a natural side effect of the show’s transition to an ensemble cast. It was nice, though, in the last two seasons, to see them call back to the importance of that early relationship and give it a few more great moments.

pyrohydriscence
replied to your post “Wait so I was just thinking….Kelly said at the end that he knows it’s…”

He might not have his Grimm powers yet (and honestly who knows if he would even get them, if I recall only women of the Grimm line are a sure thing) but he also might have something from Adalind’s side. The Hexenbeist thing is totally uncharted waters.

Very true. The Hexenbiest thing throws it all into uncertainty. Would it enhance his Grimm powers? Change them? Overpower them? Cancel them out entirely? It’s literally impossible for us to know.

That being said, @irreverentcatalyst (Admin D) is working on an update to her posts about Grimm genetics to try and answer at least some of these questions. Look for it in the upcoming hiatus posts!

misscoraline
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Greenwalt & Kouf confirmed in an interview that Mom & Dad was Adalind & Nick…

I’ll admit, I haven’t seen that interview…and I’ve seen a lot of them. But here’s the thing: you can send me a link right now to a video of Greenwalt and Kouf chanting “when Diana says ‘mom and dad’ she means Nick and Adalind” over and over for two hours, and I still won’t interpret it that way.

Why? Because whatever they say in interviews, they didn’t choose to make it concrete in canon.

When an author chooses not to state something outright in canon, they leave it open to audience interpretation. They can come back later and say whatever they want in interviews, but “word of god” that does not also exist in canon is not technically canon and doesn’t have to affect how we interpret the text.

If an author wants something interpreted a certain way, that’s all well and good for them. But if they didn’t state it that way in the actual text, they leave the door open for any number of other interpretations, from the mostly-canonically-supported to the absolutely-wackadoo-unlikely-but-still-not-technically-contradictory.

That’s the beauty of interpretation, headcanon, fanon, fandom.

For many reasons, some personal and some canonical, I choose not to interpret that line a certain way. Which is completely fine. After all, the writers left the door wide open.

somekindofsaviour
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

Thank you. Sean is an asshole, but he’s been consistent about wanting to be Diana’s dad.

That’s how I feel, too. And while I agree wholeheartedly with (and am a living example of) @resistpoisontangface‘s statement that you can have more than one dad–or mom for that matter–I also know that kids tend to pick up on their parents’ feelings about certain things and act accordingly. And I cannot ever see Sean being okay with Diana calling someone else “dad,” least of all Nick. Give it 20 years or 200 years, it ain’t gonna happen.

So based just on my own personal experience, and the fact that Diana consistently called Nick by his first name, I don’t think she meant Nick when she said “dad.” I don’t interpret it that way. It’s fine if other people do, but I never will. And that’s not a reflection on how I view Nick’s role in Diana’s life. That’s just how I feel about how she’d apply the label.

resistpoisontangface
replied to your post “Since Diana said “Mom and Dad are waiting”, I’m guessing that Dad…”

I thought it was pretty clear that Nick was “dad,” and as someone is also from a blended family, you can have two dads.

You can absolutely have two dads, including without any step-parents at all! I never meant to suggest otherwise. If you read the linked post in the ask you replied to, I gave three different examples of how I’ve seen kids from blended families refer to their step-parents, including my own, in which I call my step-mother “Momma.”

They left a lot of things open to interpretation in that last scene, not the least of which was who Diana means when she says “mom and dad.” If you think she means Nick and Adalind, great! You’re entitled to that interpretation. I don’t interpret it that way, and that’s also great, and I’m just as entitled to my interpretation. That’s the beauty of leaving it as open as they did…it gives a measure of closure while also allowing fans to fill in the details that make them the happiest.

hexenbabe
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Of course, I never expected Juliette/Eve to reciprocate that sort of feeling because it would be very creepy. I’m happy to see the support they have for each other in those little scenes. As for age gaps, I do notice the disturbing trend of people shipping Trubel with those who are much older than her. Like… she’s fine on her own or with someone close to her age???

True. There was even a hot second there in season 4 when people shipped her with Muggle Josh, which was fine and all (and I actually thought their dynamic was really cute tbh)…but there was also some backlash about that because he seemed to be so much older than her.

Granted…his age is never explicitly stated in the show (and people’s age perception when it comes to TV characters is way off anyway because of the way people are usually cast in roles much younger than their actual age). But there was still that valid concern for the kind of message it sent to blithely promote such a ship, especially for a character that is vulnerable and traumatized…and tbh it was refreshing (and surprising) to see that kind of awareness, especially in a fandom where one of the most popular ships is between a rape victim and the person who raped them.

Although full disclosure…some of my major ships in other fandoms do have pretty gnarly age gaps. Then again, the younger persons involved are older than Trubel (my age or older). But still. It’s a thing that’s pervasive throughout fandom, and sometimes it’s good to take a step back and consider the implications of that.

hexenbabe
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I kinda headcanon that while Trubel saw Juliette as a kind, almost motherly figure, she might have also had a tiny bit of a crush on her… but if the mother and daughter dynamic were more substantial, I would definitely not ship it because

it’s pretty creepy to ship people who have pseudo-familial ties even if they are not blood related.

Woah, agreed. And it’s entirely possible, I guess, that Trubel might have had a bit of a crush. I can definitely see that interpretation from the way she acted around Juliette in seasons 3-4.

I actually didn’t even consider the thought of them ending up together in a shippy way, tbh, though I can understand how it might be meant/taken that way. I’ve never shipped Trubel with any of the other main cast, although I know it’s a thing that happens in the fandom.

I would like to see them together as in physically in the same place and supporting each other. But it would be odd and a little squicky for me to see them in a romantic or sexual relationship. Partly because I always did interpret their bond as very mother-daughter or older and younger sister, especially the latter when Juliette became Eve. Also partly because of the way Trubel came into Juliette’s life–desperate, lonely, and in need of so much help–and the fact that she’s about 11 years younger than Juliette/Eve. It would seem a little…predatory? Take-advantage-y? It would be weird.

pyrohydriscence

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“If Adalind and Nick end up happily together and Juliette is left alone…”

If we can’t have Nick and Juliette back together, I want Juliette and Trouble to go off together – they were so close before Juliette got cursed and I would at least like to see that back.

That would be completely amazing. I love them both and they were really close. Juliette was so important to Trubel before her transformation, and then Trubel was arguably the only friend Eve had at Hadrian’s Wall.

I hope someday we get to see the backstory of how Trubel first got involved in HW and Eve’s journey from violent half-dead hexenbiest to precision weapon with no emotions. I know it would have to be a companion novel or comic book or something, which I’m fine with…I just want to know more about that missing piece of the story for both of them.

razielim
replied to your post “THANK YOU DIANA”

all the adults in that room needed to immediately say that. i know they’re scared of her but they all needed to gravely impress upon her how helpful she can be. and THEN apologize for not explaining things immediately. and then THANK her again. bc their silence is how ppl like diana become evil istg

This is so true. She reacted really well when Adalind asked her to put Kelly down, and when Adalind explained that she can’t just make her parents love each other.

She’s not evil, she’s just a child. A very powerful child who needs someone to teach her right from wrong, to appreciate it and praise her when she does something good and let her know it’s not okay and why when she does something bad or harmful. Someone to impress upon her how powerful she is and what a gift and responsibility those powers are. The way they’re all just walking on eggshells around her without fully explaining anything is only going to lead to problems.