On the thoughts of the magical stick being part of the True Cross, think. It was buried by the Crusaders, a Christian fighting force. It had a Templar moniker and everything. Plus, I remember a saint supposedly found a part around that time?

I mean it’s possible. But I don’t want to completely discount it possibly being something of Muslim origin, considering the Fourth Crusade did involve Muslims as well as Christians.

And tbh I wouldn’t put it above a bunch of Christian knights to steal some very valuable and/or powerful Muslim artifact, slap a bunch of Christian words and symbols on it, and tuck it away in some dark corner of Europe.

Good lord they’re dumb.. A piece of wood found in an old church… Come on people, its a spear from the Cross. Man how hard is that to figure out?!

I mean…to be fair a lot of people not raised in Christian households or communities wouldn’t be as familiar with Christian legends or the significance of certain objects, so their minds might not jump right to that.

But yeah…I was thinking piece of the True Cross as well.

Then again…it’s easy to assume it would be a Christian artifact because of all the talk of churches, but it might not be.

I’m trying to do some research, but does anyone more familiar with Islam know if there are significant wooden objects that might have healing powers connected to Islam?

So, I want to ask one thing : Since Meisner had that ”awesome”(see the irony) idea of sending Trubel away from Nick, is Trubel continuing on this season after tonight’s ep ? Because I’m really worried about what could happened with her after tonight’s ep. And I’m saying this as a fan of this amazing character. Mari.

It’s hard to say one way or the other. On the one hand, IMDB doesn’t have Jacqueline listed for any of the episodes of the season past this one. On the other hand, this doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

I’ve actually started to wonder if they might have a bigger story in mind for Trubel during the latter half of this season. There’s nothing in particular that makes me wonder this except all the things they’re NOT saying in the show with regards to Trubel’s loyalties, her feelings toward HW versus Team Grimm, whatever happened to Josh, what convinced her to join HW, etc, etc.

Well, that and the fact that she’s been posting a few BTS photos on Instagram, but they’re few and far between, and always very vague photos that could be from any episode. Whenever the cast start getting quiet or secretive on social media, I start to think shit’s about to get real in the show. I blame Bitsie for this reaction, entirely. 😛

I will say that I hope she sticks around and maybe even gets promoted to a series regular by next season, because she’s one of my favorite characters.

Do you think that Nick has a limit on how much trauma he can handle and then goes “Screw it”? So after Juliette’s descent, Kelly’s death, Kelly’s birth, Trubel, and now the uprising, he’s just in “Screw it” mode?

I don’t know if Nick has reached “screw it” mode yet so much as he’s running on autopilot. He hasn’t even had time to reach the level of emotional doneness that leads to “screw it” mode. I think he’s dealing with each thing as it comes and not really processing each fresh burden or trauma…and yes, I do think there’s a limit. Nick is still human, after all. There’s only so much most of us can take before we break down. I hope he has a chance to stop, take stock, and deal before he gets to that point. 

Seeing as how the last time Juliette had free will she set up Kelly to be killed, helped kidnap a todler and tried to murder Nick, I’m not terribly fussed about this development TBH. At least she’s only killing bad people now.

Actually, the last time Juliette had free will she tried to save her friends by helping Nick get back the powers that were ruining her life, because she cared more about what they needed than what she wanted.

And I wouldn’t be too quick to trust Hadrian’s Wall so completely. How do we know that the people they’ve marked for death are all bad people? Even if they are bad people, who is HW to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner?

These people kidnapped Trubel once before, covered up multiple murders, and took a dying woman and subjected her to a level of psychological torment that has severed her from her own identity. We actually have no idea what they did to Trubel to “convince” her to work with them. How do we know it wasn’t a less severe version of what they did to Juliette?

I’m just saying, these people deal in secrets, shadows, death, and control. Just because Black Claw seems pretty clearly bad and Hadrian’s Wall opposes them doesn’t mean Hadrian’s Wall is good. From where I’m sitting, their methods are pretty similar and their reasons are just as shady.

A lot of people are quick to condemn Adalind for “raping” Nick but so many seem to forget that she only did that because the royals (who Nick and his friends had lead her to believe had Diana) ordered her to do that and told her it was the only way she’d ever see her daughter again. It’s not nearly as black and white as some people make it seem.

A lot of people are also quick to forget that Adalind has been told to do a lot of things and always seems to resort to sexual violence to get them done. And that being desperate doesn’t excuse doing horrible things.

Sean told her to get the key? Adalind’s plan to get the key was to cast a spell on Hank, rape him, and then use the fact that his life was in danger to try to force Nick to hand over the key.

Adalind loses her powers and wants revenge? She decides, on her own, to cast a spell on Juliette that can only be broken with the massively bad side effect of creating an obsessive and dangerous attraction between Juliette and whoever rescues her…which robs both parties of their agency and violates them both in a fundamental way. She also had sex with Sean while he was under the influence of this spell, which arguably robbed him of the ability to say no to her.

The Royals tell Adalind to neutralize Nick as a threat? Adalind’s plan to do so was to cast a spell on herself and rape Nick, which stripped him of his powers.

I’m not saying Adalind hasn’t found herself in some desperate situations. I’m not even saying I don’t find her sympathetic at times. But I can acknowledge the difficulties she’s faced without turning those into excuses for the horrible things she’s done.

And what do you admins think about Trubnick(or Truhardt, whatever :P ) , aka my new shipper <3 <3 <3 ? You admins think it could be a possibility of Nick and Trubel being endgame(and a badass Grimm couple) *-* ? Mari.

I personally don’t ship it. The 10+ years’ worth of an age gap would be problematic for some people on its own, but for me the thing that makes me not want to ship it romantically is the fact that Nick effectively rescued Trubel, kept her from being arrested for murder, and that sense of gratitude makes for a bigger power imbalance than the age gap alone, which I’m uncomfortable with.

I think to some extent, it depends on the perspective of the shipper. I’m right between Nick’s age and Trubel’s, so I would feel weird shipping a girl barely old enough to be out of college with a guy my age, much less someone who had a few years on me. And I think fans of any age have a responsibility to consider the ramifications of age and power dynamics in what they ship, the fanworks they produce, and how they interact with younger fans.

That being said, for a fan who’s Trubel’s age and shipping Trubel with Nick, I understand it a little better. A lot of young people find themselves attracted to people quite a bit older than they are (see my massive crushes on celebrities from Jensen Ackles to Tom Cavanagh, the latter of which is older than my own father). And having a place like fanfiction to explore that safely is, to my mind, a good thing.

Where my worries start is with the notion of the writers making anything romantic between Trubel and Nick canon. That’s a context I’m not comfortable with.