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Hey admins, I’m glad you’re all anti-nadalind. I’ve been calling what Adalind has done to Nick (with Hank and Sean too) rape. I cannot believe that the writers are toying with this idea. I can’t believe more of the Internet is not talking about this. There should be buzzfeed articles about how completely horrifying and problematic this is. Seriously. I really hope that they’re just f*cking with us. I love this show, but if they become a thing I don’t know if I can watch it.

I have considered pitching an article (I’m a freelance writer) but the thing is, as far as I can see, Grimm doesn’t have that much of a following, when you compare it to other things that Buzzfeed, the Vulture etc, report on.

I keep hoping they’re going to pull a twist, but as of last episode I’m just …. urgh. 

Anyway, I might yet pitch a piece in the next week or so, there’s a couple of places that might carry it.

THANK you for calling what happened to Nick rape. I’ve met one too many people (including “feminists”) who say men can’t be raped by women. Also I wanted to point out that people tend to make crappy decisions when highly emotional. I’m hoping when Nick gets his head straight, he’ll realize that being with Adalind is a horrible idea. *sighs* That man needs a good cry, a good fight (not usually a good idea but he’s got too much anger right now), and a good talk with someone neutral asap.

Yep. Speaking from experience, abuse makes you do dumb shit. It makes you feel things that aren’t healthy, and often you don’t realise until it’s too late. It’s really sad that it happens, and it’s really sad that, in essence, you end up brainwashed into accepting situations you wouldn’t ordinarily deal with.

And I could totally get behind that happening to Nick – if it wasn’t played off as cute or sexy or anywhere approaching acceptable. 

I wanted to ask you to something on Kelly, and the realized there’s not a lot of him in the show. Why isn’t there more Kelly? With Nick? We need more of that.

We do! I did write a jokingly sarcastic response about how it’s a cunning framing device to make us feel more kindly towards Adalind, then I realised I was right and that’s exactly what it is.

In TV and Film there’s a device called Pat The Dog – if the character pats the dog, the audience sees them as a good person. It’s shorthand, if you will, to give people certain characteristics without them actually having to do anything kind or heroic within the story – usually saving time in the film. Harry Potter has it (talks to the snake at the zoo), the Ninth Doctor has it (cuddles a cat), any small act of kindness that the character didn’t have to do, like give change to a homeless person for example, is a Pat the Dog moment.

It’s not always animal based, it’s often used with babies, as in this case. We see Adalind performing various baby related duties with a smile on her face, the baby seems happy, if a person makes a baby happy they must be a good person.

To show Nick handling Kelly would distract from that at present, but to mention that Nick doesn’t do anything for Kelly would mean that Nick is a bad father. So, the only time you see Kelly on screen is with Adalind* so you feel more kindly towards her without her actually having to do anything kind or selfless to anyone else.

I for one would love to see more of Kelly, especially with Nick. I want to see how he feels towards Kelly, rather than the sense of duty he has towards him. I’d actually like to see more of Adalind and Kelly, beyond pat the dog moments. She has a great fear as well as a great longing for motherhood, but I’m sliding off your point here.

We do need more Nick and Kelly, I would like to know how he plans to raise him – knowing of the Wesen world, or not? And other similar questions. I’m really curious.

(*I know they had a couple of scenes together, but mainly it’s Adalind for the reasons outlined above. My drama training ruining TV shows again.)

Ca you please, please, please, put the gifs of Nick and Trubel scenes ? David and Jacqueline in a scene together is not good to me, definitelly. The hospital scene from The Rat King tells me, I am still with the feels of that scene ! Because, well : you are at a hospital bed, David Giuntoli visits you, squeezes your hand and… you die again e.e okay, I stop, hahaha Mari.

I’m going to get right on those today! Those are the last scenes from the episode I want to gif. I had to give my poor crappy laptop a break last night, Photoshop was slowly killing it.

I know you’re not really a Nadalind fan, but if you have time, would you mind making gifs of their kiss?

I’m sorry anon, but for me it goes well beyond simply not being a fan of it. I find the ship itself deeply problematic and it personally reminds me of things I’d rather not think about, so I won’t be creating gifs of that scene or any of their scenes. There’s a sizeable Nadalind fanbase though, so I’m sure if you give it a day or two the scene will be gif’d all over the place.

What is your opinion on Nadalind? I find it really unsettling personally.

I’m glad you asked, Anon. We’ve actually been discussing this among the members of FYNB a bit.

I won’t speak for Liz or Siobhan, but I personally do not ship it at all, nor do I find it a healthy relationship or think it’s something that should be romanticized or painted as positive.

Adalind has done a lot of harm to Nick and the people he cares about. Now some would argue that she hasn’t done anything to hurt Nick in a long time, but in my opinion showing up last season and emotionally manipulating him with the fact that she was carrying his child counts as hurt.

Remember, this isn’t a woman who was in a relationship with a man showing up and requesting that he be a part of his child’s life. This is a woman who raped a man, showing up and using the child that resulted from that rape to make him do what she wants (namely protecting her from other people she’s hurt).

I know they’ve gone to great lengths to make it clear that at least some of what Adalind did in the past was influenced by the fact that she was a hexenbiest. At the same time, Nadalind has been a popular ship in the Grimm fandom long before they ever even began to establish that idea in the show. And speaking in sci-fi terms, just because someone didn’t want to do something horrible to someone else doesn’t mean the person they hurt is any less hurt.

Even right after Adalind raped Nick at the end of season and he was obviously, visibly devastated at the loss of his powers, there were people enthusiastically shipping them. I’ve seen gifs of the rape scene used in Nadalind shipping posts, for goodness’ sake. I’ve even seen flat-out denial of the fact that it was rape in the Nadalind tag.

TL;DR: I don’t ship it, I don’t support shipping it, and I’m disappointed that the show seems to be flirting with that direction. I think it’s one more example of how flippantly mainstream media treats the topic of rape, especially when the victims are male and the perpetrators are female. I understand completely why you would find it upsetting.