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I wish I had more faith in Grimm but I have just gotten to the point with shows this season that as soon as I hear that someone is being killed off, I think it is going to be a person of color, a female of an lgbt character. I don’t want to think that Hank will be the one who dies but he just seems like it will be him.

I’m worried about this too, for sure. I want–really, really want–to have faith in the Grimm Writers. I keep reminding myself of all the times I thought they were about to let me down only to be pleasantly surprised. But over this last seasons, it’s gotten harder to trust not only because of certain developments within this show, but also because of the general climate of “kill everyone who’s not a straight, white cismale” on other shows as well.

So believe me when I say I am with you in your anxiety. I am seriously concerned about Hank and almost dreading the last three episodes because of my worries over what could happen to him.

If I could talk to the Grimm Writers and say one thing to them right now, it would be “please don’t kill Hank. Or Wu. You have no idea how important they are. The message you’d be contributing to would be horrible. Please.”

Ok this question is just in the line of my another colleage anon, about have Bitsie and some GrimmWriters blocking to their fans . Ok i don´t have instagram, and i rarely interact in twitter and never in facebook, i don´t like make that. But i think that is quite inadvisable to declare war on your audience don´t you think? some ppl were blocked basically for say that Bitsie ” is not a good actress” since when a Show is not opened to all type of reviews? a show is made for that precisely not?

Well no, anon, I don’t think. I don’t think blocking rude people is even remotely comparable to “declaring war on your audience,” for one thing. For another, as I said in my previous post, I have never once seen a Grimm fan get blocked for respectful criticism, questions, and/or discussion.

Now assuming any of the claims of blocking being made are true–seeing as no one has bothered to provide any source for these accusations–showing up on someone’s personal instagram and saying they’re no good is not a “review.” It’s basically like knocking on someone’s front door and being like “you suck.” And the kind of comment you reference here is way at the lower end of the kind of bullshit Bitsie Tulloch gets daily on her instagram account, so it’s not even that relevant an example.

There’s no good reason for that kind of comment. It’s plain and simple meanness with no other purpose. People who post that kind of thing aren’t improving the show, they’re definitely not making the cast, crew, and writers want to interact with fans or listen to them more, and they’re not improving anyone’s performance. It’s useless, unnecessary rudeness, and exactly the kind of comment that should get people blocked.

Now, this is the last thing I’m going to say about this topic, although if other admins want to chime in they’re welcome to:

I’ve had a few fan experiences–in different fandoms, and one as recently as last night–over the years, and there are always fans in every fandom who have weird ideas about what they’re owed for watching, or listening, or reading, or buying. Frankly, it’s embarrassing and I’m tired of it. It’s a large part of the reason I typically opt NOT to meet or interact with the people who create the things I love even when the opportunity presents itself: I don’t want to be grouped in their minds with the kind of bratty, petty people who assume they’re owed more just for liking something.

So I feel pretty strongly that audience members who get all up in arms about what the creators owe their fans need to remember two things:

  1. The people who make our entertainment don’t owe us a goddamn thing, interaction-wise. They make a thing, we support it, they keep making the thing…and that’s it. That’s all they owe. The fact that they interact with us beyond the product they make is not an obligation, but a gift. It’s something they choose to do. And if they choose to stop interacting with certain people who take advantage of that to be needlessly rude, they have every right to do so.
  2. These are actual living, breathing people and those people have just as much right to their feelings as anyone else. If they don’t want to deal with negativity in their online spaces, especially the kind that’s pure vitriol and serves no actual purpose, then they don’t have to. And that doesn’t make them bad at their jobs or interfere with the “purpose” of their show.

im wondering if the royals are going to make any reappearance soon, because if seans family is going to be a public display, then people are going to notice diana. it would be interesting if they came into the scene and took out some of black claw. on another note, it bugs me that monroe & nick as a blutbad & grimm can not act violently despite stereotypically being violent by nature, but biests are apparently doomed to act the way they do and cant rise above it now??

I feel like the Royals have to make an appearance soon, assuming they’re done licking their wounds from having now lost several members of their line of succession. Because they really wanted Diana, for one thing. I actually kind of wonder if we’re headed toward Renard taking his place as head of House Kronenberg eventually. I mean, they’ve gotta be running short on princes at this point.

As for the hexenbiest/zauberbiest thing, I am totally with you. Although I don’t necessarily think that they can’t rise above it. If that’s what the writers are really going for they’ve screwed up big time, because we have seen several hexenbiests who are perfectly capable of controlling their powers and themselves (Elizabeth, Henrietta, Eve although that’s a weird case). And Adalind doesn’t seem to have gone spontaneously darkside again with the return of her powers, so I dunno…it may be one of those cases of that being what is believed but not what is actually true.

And if you think about it, it makes sense considering the sources that information is coming from: Adalind, who’s only ever known the dark side of being a hexenbiest and who only recently found the resolve to really want to change, is terrified of what those powers may do to that resolve. And Eve, who’s also only ever known the dark side of hexenbiest powers, was “broken” in order to bring them under control. That doesn’t necessarily mean she couldn’t have learned to control them any other way, but that’s what her experience–with herself and with Adalind–tells her.

I mean think about it: if hexenbiests were as all-out destructive and dangerous and out of control normally as Adalind and Eve seem to think, they would have been hunted down and eradicated, or nearly eradicated, by now. We’ve seen this with plenty of other Wesen being murdered in droves by Grimms, by the Verrat, by the Wesen Council, or even by their own parents as small children because they exhibited some trait that was considered “too dangerous.” So I think that on the whole, hexenbiests must manage to figure their shit out somehow, or they wouldn’t still be around.

That happens a lot on this show: something will be considered common knowledge or indisputable truth, and then it will be revealed that it’s actually not or there’s some kind of exception/loophole. Like Juliette becoming a hexenbiest, or there being a cure for Grausen, or Lycanthropia being exclusive to blutbaden. A lot of times, it’s just a matter of “these exact and very specific circumstances to create this anomaly have never happened before.” Team Grimm encounters a lot of that, but because their main sources of information are Wesen who were raised with certain beliefs, it sometimes takes them a while to get to that “aha” moment.

Is is true that Bitsie and the Grimm social media accounts have started blocking people and deleting comments?

I have no idea whether this is true or not, but let me just say that having followed Bitsie on instagram for a while, if she did start blocking some of the incredibly rude people who post on her social media I would not blame her one tiny bit. And the same goes for the Grimm social media and the Grimm writers.

I love the Grimm cast, crew, and writers. They haven’t always made narrative decisions I agree with, but they have always had an amazing amount of openness, interaction, and dialogue with their fanbase. I–and other admins on this blog–have been very openly critical of some of their choices in the show’s direction in the past, and I’ve never been blocked. Nor, to my knowledge, has any other admin here.

In fact, the people who make Grimm have been one of the most giving toward fandom I’ve seen, surpassed only by the cast of Supernatural in the sheer amount of sharing they do with the fanbase. Even though certain members of this fanbase have occasionally crossed the line, particularly when it comes to sending Bitsie hateful messages.

They don’t owe us that level of interaction, and there are occasionally good reasons to block fans. So if it’s true that the Grimm social media accounts and/or Bitsie have begun blocking people and deleting their comments, they probably had a very good reason and, given what I’ve seen directed toward Bitsie in particular, it’s about damn time.

Assuming Renard knows he’s working with black claw (and I’m drawing a blank as to what ep he found out, help?) it’s possible that he is working with Black Claw so he can take them down… now if that is the case he should have told SOMEBODY what he was up to. there’s no evidence for that story arc that I’ve seen but it does sound like a Renard thing to do. (part 1 of 2)

(part 2 of 2) Also Renard is REALLY firm that he isn’t a Hexenbeist so maybe he doesn’t have the same issues with his beist side along with the lack of abilities that we’ve seen. Mind it could simply be a gender thing but still I’d really like the show to clarify either way. Also using their beist as an excuse for hurting/killing reminds me of people using mental illness as an excuse and as a mentally ill person I"m finding it insulting… Am I the only one who noticed that?

Renard realized Rachel and Co. were with Black Claw the minute he found out she was part of the plot to kill Andrew Dixon (near the end of “Into the Schwarzwald”), because he knew, via Eve and Meisner, that the man who killed Dixon was a Black Claw operative, as was Lucien, who met with Renard shortly after he confronted Rachel.

And honestly? I would love for that possibility (that he’s working to take them down) to be correct, because otherwise what he’s doing really doesn’t make much sense to me.

I mean, even if he’s trying to take them down, it doesn’t make much sense, but at least it wouldn’t feel like a slap in the face to four and a half years’ worth of character and relationship development. I’m also fine with the notion that he’s with them in order to get Diana back, except that I can’t figure out why he wouldn’t have just trusted Nick and Hank with that information.

As for the mental illness parallel, you’re not the only one to make the comparison. I’ve definitely seen a few different Grimm fans mention that the way the show treats hexenbiest powers seems like a metaphor for mental illness. Although not a very good or well-handled one.

I think they’ve mixed their metaphors too much on this one, personally. Do hexenbiest powers change who a person is? Or don’t they? Who knows! I mean we’ve seen at least two hexenbiests who weren’t doing damage left and right (Henrietta and Elizabeth) and we’ve also seen Adalind do just as much damage while her powers were completely gone as she did when she had them. Not to mention that at the moment she’s just about the nicest she’s ever been, and she has her powers.

Sometimes it does seem to me like a general (and stigmatizing, and again, poorly-handled) mental illness metaphor. At others it seems like they’re treating it like classic possession…with the whole floating “evil spirit” thing that left Adalind when she was de-powered in season one and then re-entered her when she performed the ritual to get her powers back.

And then at still other times it seems like it’s very specifically a metaphor for addictive disorders, with the powers themselves being the object of the addiction rather than the illness itself. But even that breaks down depending on which hexenbiest we’re talking about, and when.

Then again you have characters insisting that being a hexenbiest fundamentally changes you, while having your two principle hexenbiests treat what they did during that time in totally different ways: Adalind doesn’t shy away from responsibility for the things she did, she apologizes for them and expresses regret and a wish to undo those things.

Eve, on the other hand, has distanced herself from Juliette and the things she did as completely as possible, deflects responsibility, and claims to feel no regret or remorse for any of it, although that in itself could be due to a separate mental illness (PTSD, dissociative identity disorder, maybe both).

All this to say that no, I’ve never thought of the whole “the biest made me do it” thing in that light, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a valid interpretation or that your feelings about it aren’t valid. It just means the writing around that topic is so gotdamn convoluted that I haven’t been able to draw coherent parallels about it yet.

Do you know where I can find the Grimm characters sorted into Hogwart Houses?

We’ve actually done that here on FYNB. Not everyone, necessarily, but a few. Here are the posts for each house. If you check the notes you can find some good discussion/meta on why these choices were made:

Gryffindor | Hufflepuff | Ravenclaw | Slytherin

If you like our choices but there’s a character not covered in these posts that you’d like to see Sorted, send us another message and we’ll be happy to Sort them for you!

Do you read Grimm spoilers? Like, press releases for upcoming episodes?

Hi anon, Liza here. I do occasionally do a search for Grimm press releases, promo trailers, and interviews, but I actually don’t put that much stock in what I find there, beyond a bit of fun speculation. And here’s why:

If I’ve learned anything over the last five years it’s that press releases, promos, and interviews lie. The press release will give you just the barest outline of the next episode’s details, enough to get you interested. The promos will overdramatize something, taking different snippets of scenes and putting them together out of context to make things look more dire than they really are (like when they made it look like Nick was totes going to try to kill Juliette last season the second he found out her secret).

And the Grimm writers, cast, and crew are notorious trolls when it comes to teasing things in interviews that may never happen, or shooting down ideas that are going to happen as ridiculous.

I’ve actually seen a few posts and things around tumblr expressing frustration and hurt at this practice, but really…what do people expect? That they’ll tell us the whole plot before we’ve even seen the show? No, they won’t do that. Moreover, in the actors’ case, they can’t. They probably have very strict guidelines for what they can tell us and how they can phrase certain things, and keeping to those guidelines is just part of their job.

TL’DR? Yes I do occasionally look up spoilery stuff, but I don’t put a ton of stock in it, and I try not to get too worked up until I’ve actually seen the episode.