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Not that I particularly approve some of the writing when it comes to the Nick/Adalind, as I agree it’s going too fast. But it seems that people are ignoring Adalind’s motives and her differences from Juliette. When Juliette first voged Nick was shocked and confused. But he was willing to help her and accept it, given some time. But Juliette wanted him to accept it right off and then she went bananas. And as we’ve heard said, being a Hexenbiest changes you. Adalind just wants to be a mom.

Actually, if you go back and watch, when Juliette first woged in front of Nick she was barely holding back tears and terrified the entire time. And do you know what he did? Instead of talking to her about it, about how she felt about it, about whether she was okay? He immediately started asking how she could get rid of it.

Which may make sense at first, but bear in mind that this is after Juliette has found out that she can’t get rid of it and she hasn’t really come to terms with that yet.

When she tells him this, that she’s already tried so hard to get rid of it before even telling him about it because she was terrified for her life? You know what Nick does then? Well, he makes it all about him. He’s mad that she didn’t come to him first, he’s upset that she’s like this forever (with no regard to how she must feel).

Then he walks out and leaves her there alone, crying.

The scene you’re referencing, where she wants him to “accept it right off” actually happens later, after he’s had time to think about this and what it means, and how he feels about it, and how she might feel about it.

People tend to conflate those two scenes and combine them in their minds and think that Juliette was too hasty, but Nick had time by that point. He was just too busy making it all about what this would mean for him to care about what it meant for Juliette. And that was one of the main factors that fueled her downward spiral.

If you go back and watch that whole mess, Nick at no point considers how Juliette must be feeling about this. She immediately becomes a problem to solve rather than a person with feelings, starting with the moment she reveals the truth to him. And in the moments when Juliette crosses lines, that’s what she’s thinking about. That’s not even my fanon interpretation. That’s canon.

When she pulls away from Nick and the team? It’s because Nick ran away from her and wouldn’t talk to her about it, but he told Hank and then basically forced her to tell the team whether or not she was ready.

When she laughs in his face after he says he still loves her? She tells him to answer his phone, go hunt down bad Wesen, be a Grimm, because that’s what he’s good at. She rejects the notion that he loves her as ludicrous. She’s realized it’s just empty words to him, and she tells him what made her realize this: that he has never been there for her the way she was there for him.

When she burns down the trailer? She remembers Nick’s rejection of her, his inability to accept what had happened to her even though this entire world of his is what caused it, and then she attacks the biggest connection to and symbol of that world he has.

When she sends that email to Kelly and sleeps with Kenneth in her old bed? She’s surrounded by the place that used to be her home, looking around it and remembering her life there with Nick, and she’s doing things that betray the emotional and physical connection they had: sleeping with another man in their bed, breaking his trust by luring his mother in for the Royals.

TL;DR: This kind of got off-topic, I guess, but the point is that no, Juliette did not want Nick to accept it right off. He had time, but Nick never actually tried to accept it or treated Juliette like anything but a problem after he found out, despite claiming to love her. Which is why many fans find his easy acceptance of the notion of Adalind–who he doesn’t know how he feels about and who has actually done a lot of damage to him and his (including Juliette, by the way) in the past–getting her powers back ridiculous.

Not hating but you really see the difference between domestic MR and domestic NA. MR is something that is beneficial to the plot and the characters. It is usual, you can’t miss those scenes because you lose the plot but NA can be skipped in every episode and no plot is missed.

Well…as much as I hate to say it, and as much as I really want to skip those scenes, lately they are actually weaving into the plot a little more. The scene between them in this episode definitely set things up for some conflict later on, for instance.

Although I’d argue that most of what’s in the actual NA scenes themselves is about character development rather than plot. You can watch Nick’s conversation with Monroe in “Into the Schwarzwald” and know everything that happened in that scene and that Nick doesn’t know how he feels about it.

But you’d miss the completely candid look on Nick’s face when he wakes up beside Adalind and there’s no one there to school his emotions for, the way he kept flashing back to their awful history and how simultaneously numb and conflicted he looks…and how he covers all of that up and pretends to be okay when she wakes up.

Similarly, you could find out from the scene last ep with Adalind and Rosalee that Adalind didn’t want to tell Nick about her powers returning, and from the scene in the spice shop this week that Nick wasn’t supposed to tell anyone outside of Team Grimm about the stick.

But there’s a special kind of emphasis on seeing them actually in a room together and lying their asses off to each other’s faces, clearly uncomfortable and not trusting each other with vital secrets. Even though those secrets could have a profound effect on their child, the other person, and their…relationship, such as it is.

So I will agree with you that MR’s scenes are more about being helpful and proactive and figuring things out than NA scenes, but I don’t skip the NA scenes (although I would never judge or even look askance at anyone who wanted to, for obvious reasons), because they are telling us things about Nick and Adalind as people–and, in my opinion, about why they can never work as a couple (since apparently the blatantly obvious reason isn’t good enough for the writers).

Even though I agree with you with the whole “Adalind falling in love with Nick? What?” thing, if they worked on it a little more it would make complete sense- on Adalind’s part. She is very good at making poor life choices and she seems to always fall for a guy even though it might be a good idea to do so. Her falling in love with a guy who was her mortal enemy can be considered in-character for her.

I think you’re right in that it would be in character for Adalind. I’m really glad they didn’t have Nick be all suddenly gung-ho in love though, because it would have been terribly out of character for him, even if they didn’t have the history they have.

And I still don’t think they developed it enough for it to make sense for either of them to feel anything except cautiously amicable toward one another at this point. I’m not sure they can go back and fix it now, because they just rushed it for whatever reason and now a lot of fans are left scratching their heads going “where exactly did that come from?”

A couple of episodes ago she was perking up at the sound of Meisner’s name and blushingly, hopefully asking Trubel whether he’d ever mentioned her, and now she’s in love with Nick? Not attracted to, not beginning to have feelings for, in love. 

Adalind may be a lot of things, but sentimental she’s not. This direction at this juncture doesn’t make any sense for her and is horrible for Nick. I just don’t know what to do with it except throw up my hands and try to watch around it for the rest of the plot.

I like that we think along the same wavelength. (although I forgot that the specific term was “true cross”. *chastises myself* Bad Catholic!) But when they said there was something written on the cloth I jokingly said, “Yeah, it says (*in deep chanty voice*)’This is the wood of The Cross, on which hung The Savior of the World.'” (Which is something the priest says as part of Good Friday services, for those who don’t know). Cuz, at that point, i didn’t think they were gonna go in that direction!

Honestly I got the term “True Cross” from doing a bit of preemptive google research. My Southern Pentecostal upbringing definitely didn’t give me that term.

I think we’re on the right track, though! The more I read about the True Cross versus other legendary wooden artifacts, the more it seems to me like that’s probably what it is!

I’m confused. When did Adalind fall in love with Nick?

Well, anon, it was…

Huh.

You know, that’s a really good question. They’ve only been living together for a few months, tops, and during that time they’ve been somewhat under siege. Not the best atmosphere for developing any kind of healthy connection.

Before that, she was emotionally manipulating him into protecting her from Juliette.

And before that, she was raping him and stealing his powers at Viktor’s behest in a misguided attempt to get Diana back.

Funny…it’s almost as if this whole thing between them happened way too fast and without sufficient development for it to make any kind of sense to anyone not watching it through shipper goggles.